On 06/21/2011 02:01 PM, [email protected] wrote:
My bad, I meant to say a “6-8 releases a year” .. grrr!!
So let me try this again. I don't like the current plan of "release
early & often" because:
1) It will spread testing thin of any release because fewer real users
will be using a release when you have too many a year.
I don't follow. With a release early and often rational, there will be
less changes in each release. Less to test. The testing of lucene is
phenomenal and improving with each release.
2) "release early & often" is not a well defined production release.
It will lead to undefined gaps between releases (why X.Y took N weeks,
but X.Z took M months?). This is why I suggested a quarterly release
plan (it's what FF is now doing)
I think that the pendulum needs to swing and find its natural balance.
If there is a cost to frequent releases that is unacceptable, it will
all balance out in the end.
3) Do companies jump on a Lucene release as soon as one is made? No,
they have a process. With too many releasees, they will now be more
confused which releases to use; they want a release that proved itself.
I can't comment on how all companies do upgrades, but in my experience
the companies I've been with don't upgrade without a business reason.
Basically, if the current works then don't upgrade. If the new provides
a necessary feature for a specific requirement, then determine the
risk/cost/benefit and decide on whether to upgrade. But at the point of
upgrade go with the current best. I don't see how there would be
confusion until 4.0 is released.
In my specific application, upgrades to Lucene happen when my
application has a feature release and/or a bug release in it's use of
Lucene. It just doesn't make sense to have an app release that does not
give specific, visible benefit to end users.
--MJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Miller <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2011 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Lucene 3.3 release soon?
I think we might target fewer than 6-8 a month. That would be scary! I would
guess it will be once a month at worse, and often less. Time will tell.
You must already give version info with questions if you want decent help -
nothing is going to change that.
- Mark
On Jun 21, 2011, at 1:15 PM,[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
> -1 on release early& often.
>
>
> Let us say you average 6-8 releases a month, this means there will be that
many versions used by users. Which means the amount of testing done on a
release (by real users, in real environment) will be spread thin thus a release
will not get the same amount of testing it otherwise would. Not only that, more
releases means more releasespecific questions. Expect to see questions /
issues reported and you must ask "what version are you using?" before you can
answer.
>
>
> May I suggest a scheduled release, once a quarter, near the end of a quarter?
>
>
> -JM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Willnauer<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> To:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:53 pm
> Subject: Re: Lucene 3.3 release soon?
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Robert Muir<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > Again, I don't think any future uncommitted features should block a
> > release, nor should there be a "shoving" period where features are
> > shoved in.
>
> +1 - release early& often!!!
>
> simon
> >
> > I'll be now looking at producing an RC as quickly as possible before
> > this can happen!
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:13 AM, Jan Høydahl<
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> Grouping is really worth a release! But if group count in facet is within
> reach, wait for that!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> >> Cominvent AS -
> www.cominvent.com <http://www.cominvent.com/>
>
> >> Solr Training -
> www.solrtraining.com <http://www.solrtraining.com/>
>
> >>
> >> On 21. juni 2011, at 05.53, Bill Bell wrote:
> >>
> >>> +1 wait for grouping post facet counts... Go Martijn v Groningen !!
> >>>
> >>> On 6/20/11 12:03 PM, "Michael McCandless"<
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> +1 to releasing 3.3 in a few weeks... there's a lot of new stuff after
> >>>> 3.2.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike McCandless
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://blog.mikemccandless.com <http://blog.mikemccandless.com/>
>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Robert Muir<
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>>>> i was planning on doing an RC in a few weeks actually.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> we have a lot of good stuff in there today already, however i wanted
> >>>>> to give a few weeks for the grouping stuff to run on hudson.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Simon Willnauer
> >>>>> <
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>> I would say within the next 3 month.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Lukáš Vlček<
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> How soon can we expect official Lucene 3.3 release?
> >>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>> Lukas
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