Hi Erick, *

On 2019/11/09 15:15:03, Erick Erickson <[email protected]> wrote: 
> How are you running the tests? Just “ant test”? If so the output is all 
> written to stdout so I usually just redirect it somewhere , e.g. “ant test > 
> results 2>&1”….

Yea, I run it with ant test. So the output is the log from the cmd, ok. Is 
there an other possibility to run the tests?
> 
> That file should have the failures _and_ a “reproduce with” line for each 
> failing test. One thing I didn’t mention is that there’s also a significant 
> bit of randomization in the test harness. Different locales are chosen at 
> random, different directory implementations, different timezones, etc… We had 
> one issue that was a JVM issue that only showed up in the Turkish locale for 
> instance that we’d never have found without the randomization. The “reproduce 
> with” line has all that information echoed and will run the test again with 
> all the same bits of randomization.

Ok, this sounds interesting

> 
> It’s relatively rare for the test to fail reliably even if you use the 
> “reproduce with” line because it’s, well, reproducible. When it is, you’ll 
> see a JIRA raised something like “reproducible test failure” and/or someone 
> will jump on it and fix it.

So just reproducible issues go into jira? In my experience, it makes sense in 
some case, to write an issue für a ireproducible bug. So you can collect all 
data on one place. Sometimes this helps to track the bugs down.
> 
> Timing issues: Well, just that. Say a test creates a collection and _assumes_ 
> (no, this isn’t a good practice) that it’ll finish in 5 seconds and it takes 
> 6, then drives on. Oops. Other more subtle issues are just threading issues 
> where some sequence of context switching happens to hit an unanticipated 
> problem. etc.
> 
> It’s not that we _never_ get reproducible tests, it’s that when we do someone 
> fixes them. There are a _lot_ of tests in the full suite, so if 
> timing-related tests fail 0.1% of the time…
> 
> You can confirm this yourself pretty easily, just save the output and run the 
> “reproduce with” line.
> 

Ok, I will go now into the source, and see, what some test does and trying to 
get a test without errors. Last time I have had 1 error. If it continues like 
this, I will have 0 next time ;-)

Regards, Raphael
> Best,
> Erick
> 


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