On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Dmitriy Lyubimov <dlie...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I think this duality, names and keys, is not very healthy really, and > just > > creates addtutiinal hassle. Spark drm takes care of keys automatically > > thoughout, but propagating names from name vectors is solely algorithm > > concern as it stands. > > Not sure what you mean. Not what you think, it looks like. I mean that Mahout DRM structure is a bag of (key -> Vector) pairs. When persisted, key goes to the key of a sequence file. In particular, it means that there is a case of Bag[ key -> NamedVector]. Which means, external anchor could be saved to either key or name of a row. In practice it causes compatibility mess, e.g. we saw those numerous cases where e.g. seq2sparse saves external keys (file paths) into key, whereas e.g. clustering algorithms are not seeing them because they expect them to be the name part of the vector. I am just saying we have two ways to name the rows, and it is generally not a healthy choice for the aforementioned reason. > In my experience Names and Properties are primarily used to store external > keys, which are quite healthy. Users never have data with Mahout keys, they must constantly go back and > forth. This is exactly what the R data frame does, no? I'm not so concerned > with being able to address an element by the external key > drmB["pat"]["iPad'] like a HashMap. But it would sure be nice to have the > external ids follow the data through any calculation that makes sense. > I am with you on this. > This would mean clustering, recommendations, transpose, RSJ would require > no id transforming steps. This would make dealing with Mahout much easier. > Data frames is a little bit a different thing, right now we work just with matrices. Although, yes, our in-core matrices support row and column names (just like in R) and distributed matrices support row keys only. what i mean is that algebraic expression e.g. Aexpr %*% Bexpr will automatically propagate _keys_ from Aexpr as implied above, but not necessarily named vectors, because internally algorithms blockify things into matrix blocks, and i am far from sure that Mahout in-core stuff works correctly with named vectors as part of a matrix block in all situations. I may be wrong. I always relied on sequence file keys to identify data points. Note that sequence file keys are bigger than just a name, it is anything Writable. I.e. you could save a data structure there, as long as you have a Writable for it. > > On Apr 2, 2014 1:08 PM, "Pat Ferrel" <p...@occamsmachete.com> wrote: > > > >> Are the Spark efforts supporting all Mahout Vector types? Named, > Property > >> Vectors? It occurred to me that data frames in R is a related but more > >> general solution. If all rows and columns of a DRM and their > coresponding > >> Vectors (row or column vectors) were to support arbitrary properties > >> attached to them in such a way that they are preserved during transpose, > >> Vector extraction, and any other operations that make sense there would > be > >> a huge benefit for users. > >> > >> One of the constant problems with input to Mahout is translation of IDs. > >> External to Mahout going in, Mahout to external coming out. Most of this > >> would be unneeded if Mahout supported data frames, some would be > avoided by > >> supporting named or property vectors universally. > >> > >> > > >
