I misspoke- it was in the Scala bindings, this is the last line to print
off:

https://github.com/apache/mahout/blob/758cfada62556d679c445416dff9d9fb2a3c4e59/core/src/test/scala/org/apache/mahout/math/scalabindings/MatrixOpsSuite.scala#L222

Hope akm or someone else can test to help me figure out if its my machine
or a real issue.

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:01 AM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
>
> core sort of always passed for me ... it was some of the community modules
> I had to run multiple times because of flaky unit tests.
>
> Will re-try on my machines.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Am 04.05.20, 14:51 schrieb "Trevor Grant" <trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com>:
>
>     On Java 8 when I build with tests it always hangs on
>     ```
>     Average assignment seqSparse2seqSparse time: 25.776 ms
>     Average assignment seqSparse2seqSparse via Random Access Sparse time:
>     224.714 ms
>     ```
>
>     It seems like that's in the Mahout Core section. What is our new
> "official
>     target" java? I have 8,11,13 on this machine, but can install 9,10 if
> one
>     of them is the new official that we are using.
>
>     tg
>
>
>     On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 5:49 AM Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     wrote:
>
>     > No ... I think I was able to go up till 10 ... above that I think I
>     > remember I had errors.
>     >
>     > 13 is also quite intense when it comes to changes in what you're
> allowed
>     > to do with reflection.
>     >
>     > Chris
>     >
>     >
>     > Am 03.05.20, 20:39 schrieb "Trevor Grant" <trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com
> >:
>     >
>     >     Is JDK 13 supposed to work now? I was able to get archives if I
> skipped
>     >     tests, but w Java 8 the tests hung, and Java 13 tests had errors.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 6:27 PM Andrew Palumbo <
> andrew_palu...@msn.com>
>     >     wrote:
>     >
>     >     >
>     >     > Hey All, been very sick again,  I may be offline for a couple
> of
>     > weeks,
>     >     > I am probably not going to be able to commit to times in the
> next
>     > couple of
>     >     > weeks,  I'll be back and forth to SD and sleeping alot.  Thank
> you
>     > again,
>     >     > Christofer, for the help.  If anyone needs me for anything,
> please
>     > use my
>     >     > apalu...@apache.org address, (i am not subscribed to mahout
> with
>     > that) or
>     >     > give a shout on slack, so that i dont miss it.
>     >     >
>     >     > Thanks.
>     >     >
>     >     > Andy
>     >     >
>     >     > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     >     > From: Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     > Date: Apr 24, 2020 2:18 AM
>     >     > Subject: Re: Hi ... need some help?
>     >     > To: dev@mahout.apache.org
>     >     > Cc:
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     > Hi all,
>     >     >
>     >     > just found the email with the time for the call today ...
> that's
>     > 19:00 /
>     >     > 7pm here ... perfect.
>     >     > Would just need some information on how to join.
>     >     >
>     >     > Chris
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     > Am 20.04.20, 17:31 schrieb "Andrew Musselman" <
>     > andrew.mussel...@gmail.com
>     >     > >:
>     >     >
>     >     >     Thanks Chris, will take a look at your PR.
>     >     >
>     >     >     I think we would be fine upgrading anything that is still
> making
>     >     >     improvements, probably makes sense to discuss Friday on
> our call
>     > if
>     >     > you can
>     >     >     make it.
>     >     >
>     >     >     Best
>     >     >     Andrew
>     >     >
>     >     >     On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 1:53 AM Christofer Dutz <
>     >     > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     >     wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >     > Hi Folks,
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > so I've now tested the build with java 1.8, 9, 10 and
> they
>     > work ...
>     >     >     > 11 I'm getting errors about unsupported java major
> versions
>     > again ...
>     >     >     > guess there's some old library version in there
> somewhere.
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > But at least I managed to get you out of this 1.7 trap.
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > Chris
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > Am 20.04.20, 09:46 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
>     >     > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Hi folks,
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     so I was now able to build (including all tests)
> with Java
>     > 8 and
>     >     > 9 ...
>     >     >     > currently trying 10 ...
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Are there any objection that some maven dependencies
> get
>     > updated
>     >     > to
>     >     >     > more recent versions? I mean ... the hbase-client you're
> using
>     > is
>     >     > more than
>     >     >     > 5 years old ...
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Chris
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Am 20.04.20, 00:29 schrieb "Andrew Musselman" <
>     >     >     > andrew.mussel...@gmail.com>:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >         No problem; would 10:00 a.m. Pacific next Friday
> the
>     > 24th
>     >     > work for
>     >     >     > you time
>     >     >     >         zone-wise?
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >         On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:15 PM Christofer Dutz
> <
>     >     >     > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     >     >         wrote:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >         > Sorry ...
>     >     >     >         >
>     >     >     >         > didn't see your response ... into Mahout too
> deep ;-)
>     >     >     >         > Guess we have to postpone this to sometime
> over the
>     > week.
>     >     >     >         >
>     >     >     >         > Chris
>     >     >     >         >
>     >     >     >         >
>     >     >     >         > Am 19.04.20, 19:56 schrieb "Andrew Musselman" <
>     >     >     > andrew.mussel...@gmail.com
>     >     >     >         > >:
>     >     >     >         >
>     >     >     >         >     *what time
>     >     >     >         >
>     >     >     >         >     On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:51 Andrew
> Musselman <
>     >     >     >         > andrew.mussel...@gmail.com>
>     >     >     >         >     wrote:
>     >     >     >         >
>     >     >     >         >     > I think it's safe to move to 1.8; yeah
> what
>     > tune is
>     >     > good
>     >     >     > for you?
>     >     >     >         > I'm in
>     >     >     >         >     > Pacific time zone and am flexible this
>     > afternoon.
>     >     >     >         >     >
>     >     >     >         >     > Trevor you free?
>     >     >     >         >     >
>     >     >     >         >     > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 09:37 Christofer
> Dutz <
>     >     >     >         > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     >     >         >     > wrote:
>     >     >     >         >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >> Yikes! ... well guess then I can't help
> you
>     > folks
>     >     > as it's
>     >     >     > almost
>     >     >     >         >     >> impossible to get my hands on a 1.7
> version.
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >> What's preventing you from going to
> 1.8+?
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >> Any your build says 1.8 and above:
>     >     >     >         >     >>         <requireJavaVersion>
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>  <version>[1.8,)</version>
>     >     >     >         >     >>                 </requireJavaVersion>
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >> Regarding the artifacts ... would it be
> ok to
>     > have
>     >     > the
>     >     >     > maven
>     >     >     >         > artifacts
>     >     >     >         >     >> using classifiers and perhaps the files
> in
>     > the libs
>     >     > and
>     >     >     >         > distribution to
>     >     >     >         >     >> follow the typical scala sheme?
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >> Chris
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >> Am 19.04.20, 17:56 schrieb "Trevor
> Grant" <
>     >     >     > trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com
>     >     >     >         > >:
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     Yea, we have a requirement on 1.7.
> we
>     > need to
>     >     > get it
>     >     >     > up to 8,
>     >     >     >         > but
>     >     >     >         >     >>     considered that a different issue.
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     Maven throws warning, sbt breaks
> down
>     > entirely
>     >     > (when
>     >     >     > importing)-
>     >     >     >         >     >> hence why
>     >     >     >         >     >>     we were using a script to replace
> 2.11 w
>     > 2.12
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 10:33 AM
> Christofer
>     > Dutz <
>     >     >     >         >     >> christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     wrote:
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Well I have been compiling with
> various
>     > jdks
>     >     > from 8
>     >     >     > to 14.
>     >     >     >         > However I
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > noticed that if I select a jdk and
>     > start the
>     >     > build
>     >     >     > that the
>     >     >     >         > Scala
>     >     >     >         >     >> parts
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Seefahrt to the version in my
> systems
>     > path.
>     >     > Which
>     >     >     > then
>     >     >     >         > results in
>     >     >     >         >     >> all sorts
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > of major version problems.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > For the Scalatest plugin I
> managed to
>     > have it
>     >     > use
>     >     >     > the maven
>     >     >     >         >     >> java.home...
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > The Scala compiler is being a
> little
>     > trickyer.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Will continue this evening. Keep
> your
>     > fingers
>     >     >     > crossed.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Also does maven totally not like
>     > variables in
>     >     >     > artifactids.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Chris
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > ________________________________
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Von: Trevor Grant <
>     > trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. April 2020
> 15:41
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > An: Mahout Dev List <
>     > dev@mahout.apache.org>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Betreff: Re: Hi ... need some
> help?
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Hey Chris,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > First of all- thank you so much
> for
>     > your work
>     >     > so
>     >     >     > far.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > The build 100% currently works,
> the only
>     >     > issue is
>     >     >     > with
>     >     >     >         > releasing
>     >     >     >         >     >> binaries.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Are you compiling w 1.7? Not
> really
>     > sure why
>     >     >     > artifact IDs are
>     >     >     >         >     >> changing?
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > That's very strange.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > To answer your question regarding
> the
>     >     > community
>     >     >     > block- no, it
>     >     >     >         > is
>     >     >     >         >     >> not as if
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > there is a company that pays us
> to work
>     > on
>     >     > Mahout
>     >     >     > and the
>     >     >     >         > rest is
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > community. What it means is that
> while
>     > we
>     >     >     > appreciate those
>     >     >     >         > code
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > contributions, no one still
> actively
>     > involved
>     >     > is
>     >     >     > maintaining
>     >     >     >         > them
>     >     >     >         >     >> and we
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > advise people to use at their own
> risk.
>     > The
>     >     >     > refactor to a
>     >     >     >         >     >> `community`
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > folder was meant to reflect the
> reality
>     > of the
>     >     >     > situation.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > The only test issues I was aware
> of
>     > were with
>     >     >     > Javadocs when
>     >     >     >         > trying
>     >     >     >         >     >> to do a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > release with Java 1.8+ those
> would fail
>     > due to
>     >     >     > formatting.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > I feel like you're hitting some
> unique
>     >     > issues, and
>     >     >     > maybe we
>     >     >     >         > could
>     >     >     >         >     >> help you
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > out / there may exist simple
> solutions.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Thank you again for your help!
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > tg
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:17 AM
>     > Christofer
>     >     > Dutz <
>     >     >     >         >     >> christofer.d...@c-ware.de
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > wrote:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > Hi folks,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > So yesterday I invested several
> hours
>     > in
>     >     > cleaning
>     >     >     > up your
>     >     >     >         > build.
>     >     >     >         >     >> I got
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > quite far, currently trying to
> get the
>     >     > tests to
>     >     >     > pass. For
>     >     >     >         > some
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > Scala-Java-major-version
> problems, but
>     >     > working on
>     >     >     > fixing
>     >     >     >         > them.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > However sind things will be
>     > different. I
>     >     > hope
>     >     >     > that's OK.
>     >     >     >         >     >> Especially with
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > the artifact ids.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > Just as a question: does the
> build
>     >     > currently work
>     >     >     > at all?
>     >     >     >         >     >> Especially in
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > the community block I had to fix
>     > quite a
>     >     > few API
>     >     >     > changes
>     >     >     >         > where
>     >     >     >         >     >> the code
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > in
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > the blocks were for older
> versions of
>     >     > libraries.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > I hope I get some more tests to
> pass
>     > today.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > Chris
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > ________________________________
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > Von: Andrew Musselman <
> a...@apache.org
>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. April
> 2020
>     > 20:35
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > An: Mahout Dev List <
>     > dev@mahout.apache.org>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > Betreff: Re: Hi ... need some
> help?
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > Looking forward to working on
> this
>     > with you;
>     >     >     > thanks again!
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:09 AM
>     > Christofer
>     >     > Dutz <
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > wrote:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > Hi Andrew,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > guess I'll start with the
> fork and
>     >     > contact you
>     >     >     > folks on
>     >     >     >         > slack.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > Chris
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > Am 16.04.20, 19:43 schrieb
> "Andrew
>     >     > Musselman" <
>     >     >     >         > a...@apache.org>:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     Chris, thank you for your
> help..
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     Yeah if you fork what's in
>     > master you
>     >     > can
>     >     >     > see what
>     >     >     >         > state
>     >     >     >         >     >> it's in;
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > we
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > are in
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     the #mahout channel in
> tge-asf
>     > slack
>     >     > and
>     >     >     > this is also
>     >     >     >         > a
>     >     >     >         >     >> fine way to
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > keep
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     track of discussion.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     We could file a JIRA
> ticket as
>     > well,
>     >     >     > however you
>     >     >     >         > prefer to
>     >     >     >         >     >> work.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     Best
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     Andrew
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at
> 06:59
>     >     > Christofer
>     >     >     > Dutz <
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     wrote:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > Hi Trevor,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > ok ... first of all ...
> the
>     > Mahout
>     >     > PMC is
>     >     >     > defining a
>     >     >     >         >     >> "community
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > maintained" library
> which is
>     > not
>     >     >     > maintained by the
>     >     >     >         > mahout
>     >     >     >         >     >> PMC?!?!
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > I thought at Apache
>     > everything is
>     >     > about
>     >     >     > Community
>     >     >     >         > over
>     >     >     >         >     >> code. So
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > is
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > company driving the
>     > non-community
>     >     > stuff?
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > But back to your build
> issues:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > I had a look and I too
>     > encountered
>     >     > these
>     >     >     > comments
>     >     >     >         > and
>     >     >     >         >     >> remarks and
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > sometimes patterns I
>     > recognized and
>     >     > could
>     >     >     > imagine
>     >     >     >         > why
>     >     >     >         >     >> they were
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > created.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > Yes quite a bit of the
> build
>     > could
>     >     > be
>     >     >     > cleaned up and
>     >     >     >         >     >> simplified a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > lot.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > So how about I create a
> fork
>     > and
>     >     > try to
>     >     >     > do a
>     >     >     >         > cleanup of
>     >     >     >         >     >> the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > build.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > Usually I also leave
> comments
>     > about
>     >     > what
>     >     >     > I do as I
>     >     >     >         > hope
>     >     >     >         >     >> I'll not
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > be
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > only one maintaining a
> build
>     > and
>     >     >     > documenting things
>     >     >     >         > helps
>     >     >     >         >     >> people
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > feel more
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > confident.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > However in some cases I
> will
>     > have
>     >     >     > questions ... so
>     >     >     >         > would
>     >     >     >         >     >> someone
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > be
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > available on Slack for
> quick
>     >     > questions?
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > Usually switching to
> another
>     > build
>     >     > system
>     >     >     > does
>     >     >     >         > solve some
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > problems
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > ...
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > mostly the reason to
> switch
>     > is that
>     >     > it
>     >     >     > solved the
>     >     >     >         > main
>     >     >     >         >     >> problem
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > that
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > you are
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > having with the old.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > However you usually
> notice
>     > too late
>     >     > that
>     >     >     > you get
>     >     >     >         > yourself
>     >     >     >         >     >> a lot
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > of
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > new
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > problems. I remember
> doing
>     > some
>     >     > contract
>     >     >     > work for an
>     >     >     >         >     >> insurance
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > company and
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > they were totally down
>     > Maven-road
>     >     > but
>     >     >     > then had to
>     >     >     >         > build
>     >     >     >         >     >> something
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > with SBT
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > ... in the end I
> compiled the
>     > thing
>     >     > on my
>     >     >     > laptop,
>     >     >     >         > copied
>     >     >     >         >     >> it to a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > USB
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > stick
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > and told the people
> what was
>     > on the
>     >     > stick
>     >     >     > and that
>     >     >     >         > I'll be
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > having a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > coffee
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > and will be back in 30
>     > minutes.
>     >     > When I
>     >     >     > came back
>     >     >     >         > the sick
>     >     >     >         >     >> wasn't
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > at
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > same place and the build
>     > problem was
>     >     >     > "solved" ;-)
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > So I think it's quite
> good to
>     > stick
>     >     > to
>     >     >     > maven ...
>     >     >     >         > that is
>     >     >     >         >     >> very
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > mature, you
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > can do almost
> everything you
>     > want
>     >     > with it
>     >     >     > and it
>     >     >     >         >     >> integrates
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > perfectly into
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > the Apache
> infrastructure.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > But that's just my
> opinion.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > So if you want me to
> help,
>     > I'll be
>     >     > happy
>     >     >     > to be of
>     >     >     >         >     >> assistance.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > Chris
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > Am 16.04.20, 15:28
> schrieb
>     > "Trevor
>     >     > Grant"
>     >     >     > <
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > >:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     Hey Christopher,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     I would agree with
> what
>     > Stevo
>     >     >     > outlined but add
>     >     >     >         > some
>     >     >     >         >     >> more
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > context
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > and a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     couple related JIRA
>     > issues.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     For 0.14.0 We did a
> big
>     >     > refactor and
>     >     >     > finally
>     >     >     >         > moved the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > MapReduce
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > based
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     Mahout all into
> what we
>     > called
>     >     >     > "community/"
>     >     >     >         > that is
>     >     >     >         >     >> community
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > maintained,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     which is to say,
> we're not
>     >     >     > maintaining it
>     >     >     >         > anymore
>     >     >     >         >     >> (sunset
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > began I
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > think in
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     2015).
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     But all of our POMs
> were
>     > so
>     >     > huge and
>     >     >     > fat because
>     >     >     >         >     >> they'd been
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > layered up
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     over the years by
> people
>     > coming
>     >     > and
>     >     >     > going and
>     >     >     >         >     >> dropping in
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > code. I
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > wouldn't
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     call these drive-
> bys,
>     > its just
>     >     > been
>     >     >     > over 10
>     >     >     >         > years
>     >     >     >         >     >> and people
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > come and
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > go.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     Such is the life of
> Apache
>     >     > Projects.
>     >     >     > So we had a
>     >     >     >         >     >> situation
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > where
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > a lot
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > of
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     the old Map Reduce
> stuff
>     > and
>     >     > the POMs
>     >     >     > were
>     >     >     >         > considered
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > "old-magic" no
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > one
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     really knew how it
> was
>     > all tied
>     >     >     > together, but we
>     >     >     >         >     >> didn't want
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > to
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > mess
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > with
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     it for fear of
> breaking
>     >     > something in
>     >     >     > the "new"
>     >     >     >         > Mahout
>     >     >     >         >     >> (aka
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > Samsar)
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > which is
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     the Scala/Spark
> based
>     > library
>     >     > that it
>     >     >     > is now*
>     >     >     >         > (to
>     >     >     >         >     >> others in
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > community:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     I know it runs on
> other
>     >     > engines, but
>     >     >     > for
>     >     >     >         > simplicity,
>     >     >     >         >     >> I'm just
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > calling
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > it
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     "runs-on-spark").
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     For 0.14.0 We
> decided to
>     > trim
>     >     > out as
>     >     >     > much of
>     >     >     >         > that
>     >     >     >         >     >> which was
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > possible.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > We
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     did some major
>     > liposuction on
>     >     > POMs,
>     >     >     > re organized
>     >     >     >         >     >> things, etc.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > This was
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > done
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     by commenting out a
>     > section,
>     >     > then
>     >     >     > seeing if it
>     >     >     >         > would
>     >     >     >         >     >> still
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > build. So
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     current release
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     _does_ build. And
> aside
>     > for
>     >     > some CLI
>     >     >     > driver
>     >     >     >         > issues
>     >     >     >         >     >> which are
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > outlined
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > in
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     [1], the project
> runs
>     > fairly
>     >     > smooth.
>     >     >     > (An SBT
>     >     >     >         > would
>     >     >     >         >     >> probably
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > solve [1],
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > I
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     believe Pat Ferrel
> has
>     > made his
>     >     > own
>     >     >     > SBT script
>     >     >     >         > to
>     >     >     >         >     >> compile
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > Mahout, which
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     solved that problem
> for
>     > them).
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     The issue we ran
> into
>     > with the
>     >     >     > releases (and the
>     >     >     >         >     >> reason I
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > think
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > you're
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     here), is that we
> also
>     > somewhere
>     >     >     > along the line
>     >     >     >         >     >> commented out
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > something
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     that was important
> to the
>     >     > release
>     >     >     > process.
>     >     >     >         > Hence why
>     >     >     >         >     >> 0.14.0
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > released
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > source
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     only.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     Since 2008, there
> has
>     > been a
>     >     > lot of
>     >     >     > great work
>     >     >     >         > on
>     >     >     >         >     >> generating
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > plugins
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > for
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     doing Apache
> releases.
>     > Instead
>     >     > of the
>     >     >     > awkward
>     >     >     >         > hacks
>     >     >     >         >     >> that made
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > up
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > old
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     poms (literally
> comments
>     > that
>     >     > said,
>     >     >     > "this is a
>     >     >     >         > hack,
>     >     >     >         >     >> there's
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > supposedly
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     something better
> coming
>     > from
>     >     > ..."
>     >     >     > dated like
>     >     >     >         > 2012),
>     >     >     >         >     >> we would
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > like to
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > do it
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     the "right way" and
>     > incorporate
>     >     > the
>     >     >     > appropriate
>     >     >     >         >     >> plugins.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     Refactoring to SBT
> was
>     > _one_
>     >     > proposed
>     >     >     > solution.
>     >     >     >         > We're
>     >     >     >         >     >> also OK
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > continuing to
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     use Maven, and I
> agree
>     > with
>     >     > what you
>     >     >     > said about
>     >     >     >         > the
>     >     >     >         >     >> cross
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > compiling. We
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     actually have a
> script
>     > that just
>     >     >     > changes the
>     >     >     >         > scala
>     >     >     >         >     >> version.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > We
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > tried
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > using
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     the classifiers but
> there
>     > were
>     >     > issues
>     >     >     > in SBT,
>     >     >     >         > but the
>     >     >     >         >     >> way
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > you're
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > proposing
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     sounds a lot more
> pro
>     > than the
>     >     > route
>     >     >     > we were
>     >     >     >         > trying
>     >     >     >         >     >> for.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     That said- we'd be
> OK just
>     >     > releasing
>     >     >     > one
>     >     >     >         > scala/spark
>     >     >     >         >     >> version
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > at
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > a time.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     But getting the
>     > convenience
>     >     > binaries
>     >     >     > to
>     >     >     >         >     >> release/publish would
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > be
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > major
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     first step.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     Also, we really
>     > appreciate the
>     >     > help,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     tg
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     [1]
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>
>     >     >     >         >
>     >     >     >
>     >     >
>     >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/MAHOUT/issues/MAHOUT-2093?filter=allopenissues
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     On Thu, Apr 16,
> 2020 at
>     > 4:50 AM
>     >     >     > Christofer Dutz
>     >     >     >         > <
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
> christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     wrote:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > Hi Stevo,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > so let me
> summarize
>     > what I
>     >     >     > understood:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > - There are some
>     > modules in
>     >     > mahout
>     >     >     > that are
>     >     >     >         > built
>     >     >     >         >     >> with
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > Scala,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > some
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > with
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > java and some
> with both
>     > (At
>     >     > least
>     >     >     > that's what
>     >     >     >         > I see
>     >     >     >         >     >> when
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > checking
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > out the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > project)
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > - The current
> build uses
>     >     > Scala 2.11
>     >     >     > to build
>     >     >     >         > the
>     >     >     >         >     >> Scala
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > code.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > - The resulting
>     > libraries are
>     >     > only
>     >     >     > compatible
>     >     >     >         > with
>     >     >     >         >     >> Scala
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > 2.11
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > Now you want to
> also
>     > publish
>     >     >     > versions
>     >     >     >         > compatible
>     >     >     >         >     >> with Scala
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > 2.12?
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > If that's the
> case I
>     > think
>     >     > Maven
>     >     >     > could easily
>     >     >     >         > add
>     >     >     >         >     >> multiple
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > executions
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > where each compile
>     > compiles to
>     >     >     > different
>     >     >     >         > output
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > directories:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > - Java -->
>     > target/classes
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > - Scala 2.11 -->
>     >     > target/classes-2.11
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > - Scala 2.12 -->
>     >     > target/classes-2.12
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > Then the packaging
>     > would also
>     >     > need
>     >     >     > a second
>     >     >     >         >     >> execution ...
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > each
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > of the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > executions
> bundling the
>     >     > classes and
>     >     >     > the
>     >     >     >         >     >> corresponding scala
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > output.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > Ideally I would
>     > probably use
>     >     > maven
>     >     >     >         > classifiers to
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > distinguish
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > artifacts.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > <dependency>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >  <groupId>org.apache.mahout</groupId>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >  <artifactId>mahout-spark</artifactId>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >  <version>14.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >  <classifier>2.11</classifier>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > </dependency>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > Then it should
> all work
>     > in a
>     >     > normal
>     >     >     > maven
>     >     >     >         > build. In
>     >     >     >         >     >> the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > distributions you
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > could also filter
> the
>     > versions
>     >     >     > according to
>     >     >     >         > their
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > classifiers.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > So if this is the
> case,
>     > I
>     >     > could
>     >     >     > help you with
>     >     >     >         > this.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > Chris
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > Am 16.04.20, 09:39
>     > schrieb
>     >     > "Stevo
>     >     >     > Slavić" <
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > ssla...@gmail.com
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     Disclaimer:
> I'm not
>     > active
>     >     >     > Mahout
>     >     >     >         > maintainer
>     >     >     >         >     >> for quite
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > while,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > have
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > some
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     historical
>     > perspective,
>     >     > take it
>     >     >     > with a
>     >     >     >         > grain of
>     >     >     >         >     >> salt,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > could be
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > I'm
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > missing
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     the whole
> point you
>     > were
>     >     >     > approached for
>     >     >     >         > by a
>     >     >     >         >     >> wide
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > margin
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > of
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > error.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     At a point
> Mahout,
>     > some
>     >     > of its
>     >     >     > modules,
>     >     >     >         > have
>     >     >     >         >     >> turned
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > into
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > a
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > scala
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     library, and
> there
>     > was
>     >     > need to
>     >     >     > cross
>     >     >     >         > publish
>     >     >     >         >     >> those
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > modules,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > across
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     different
> scala
>     > versions.
>     >     > Back
>     >     >     > than Maven
>     >     >     >         > scala
>     >     >     >         >     >> plugin
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > didn't
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > support
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > cross
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     publishing, it
>     > doesn't
>     >     > fit well
>     >     >     > with
>     >     >     >         > Maven's
>     >     >     >         >     >> build
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > lifecycle
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > concept
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     (multiple
> compile
>     > phases
>     >     > - one
>     >     >     > for each
>     >     >     >         > scala
>     >     >     >         >     >> version,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > and
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > what
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > not
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > would
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     be needed).
>     > Switching to
>     >     > sbt
>     >     >     > could have
>     >     >     >         > solved
>     >     >     >         >     >> the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > problem.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > Switch was
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     deemed to be
> too big
>     >     > task, even
>     >     >     > though
>     >     >     >         > ages
>     >     >     >         >     >> have been
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > spent on
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > trying
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > to
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     apply Maven
>     > (profiles) +
>     >     > bash
>     >     >     > scripts and
>     >     >     >         > what
>     >     >     >         >     >> not to
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > solve the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > problem.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     Trying to
> apply same
>     >     > approach
>     >     >     > over and
>     >     >     >         > over
>     >     >     >         >     >> again and
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > expecting
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > different
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     results is not
>     > smart, no
>     >     > expert
>     >     >     > can help
>     >     >     >         > there.
>     >     >     >         >     >> Mahout
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > maintainers and
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     contributors,
> should
>     >     > consider
>     >     >     > alternative
>     >     >     >         >     >> approach, one
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > of
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > them
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > being
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     switching to
> sbt -
>     > it's
>     >     > scala
>     >     >     > native,
>     >     >     >         > supports
>     >     >     >         >     >> scala
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > cross
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > publishing,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     supports
> publishing
>     > Maven
>     >     >     > compatible
>     >     >     >         > release
>     >     >     >         >     >> metadata
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > and
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > binaries.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     Kind regards,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     Stevo Slavic.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     On Thu, Apr
> 16,
>     > 2020 at
>     >     > 9:15 AM
>     >     >     >         > Christofer Dutz
>     >     >     >         >     >> <
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     wrote:
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     > Hi folks,
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     > my name is
> Chris
>     > and I’m
>     >     >     > involved in
>     >     >     >         > quite a
>     >     >     >         >     >> lot of
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > Apache
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > projects.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     > Justin
> approached
>     > me
>     >     > this
>     >     >     > morning,
>     >     >     >         > asking me
>     >     >     >         >     >> if I
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > could
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > perhaps help
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > you.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     > He told me
> you
>     > were
>     >     > having
>     >     >     > trouble with
>     >     >     >         > doing
>     >     >     >         >     >> Maven
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > releases.
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     > As Maven
> releases
>     > are my
>     >     >     > specialty,
>     >     >     >         > could you
>     >     >     >         >     >> please
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > > summarize
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     > the
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     > issues
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     > you are
> having?
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     > Chris
>     >     >     >         >     >>     > > >     >     >     >
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