Since I don't know all the details about this incident I will
try to stay neutral by saying that my understanding is that any
elected project lead is empowered to do whatever he or she thinks
is necessary to run the project.
In cases of disagreement between different parties, the Community
Council is supposed to be the mediating body.
If issues are caused or heavily influenced by Sun, the Sun
Community Council representative is supposed to "escalate" the
issue. If that does not help or if people do not trust that
representative, an email can be send to "Ombudsman at Sun dot com":
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink?entry=open_source_ombudsman
Best regards,
Erwin
Claus Agerskov wrote:
First of all I agree with what Ian Lynch replied.
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote:
Claus Agerskov wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote:
The OpenOffice.org project guidelines suggest communications of
these types of decisions privately, and I remember you yourself
said praise on-list and critique off-list.
Yes critique - but telling MarCons to leave their position is not
critism but kicking them out.
Ryan started this thread of his own volition. I did not ask him to
resign or kick him out. I sent him a private message revoking his MarCon
role.
How whould you feel if your role was revoked?
If you only criticise off list then only the one who is criticised
will see what is criticizable so the rest of the project members does
not learn from it. And the rest of the project members can't respond
if your critism is wrong.
I agree with you. And I'm in a somewhat of a dilemma. You are saying
that any critique is to be public, whereas others and the OpenOffice.org
guidelines are saying that it is to be private.
I prefer any communication to be public, especially difficult or awkward
situations. For example, there has been some email conversations in
which I have been cc'd in that I would have prefered not to. Statements
about other community members that I consider to be scandalous if not
libelous, but because private messages or marked as in-confidence, I
have no easy way of verifying or doing anything about it. And to be
quite honest would have preferred to be not involved. I quite understand
people stating in their sigs, reply to the list only.
I can see that your own role are on stake if you are not following the
guidelines. But how do we change the guidelines (and where are they by the
way?
You can view criticizable behavior as a bug - and in open source
projects bugs are discussed openly.
I agree with you, but others state otherwise.
It seems that the ones in charge does not have a clue on open source
projects and how they should be ran.
I will only now consider public critique to Ryan at his request.
When you become a member of an open source project you will be a
target of public critic - escpecially from you peers.
And I'm ok with that, but I'm not ok with what people consider all is
wrong with the OOo MP is my problem. I am not the MP.
No you and John are project leaders - and as you have acted on your own
without your co-leader will be seen as a formal act of OOo MP - so in this
case you act as the (only) formal leader of OOo MP.
Then others of OOo MP react - and their oponions are also a part of OOo
MP.
The Project Leads are responsible for the recruitment of and
liaison with MarCons. Usually, potential candidates contact us, as
two did earlier this week. The "What Do MarCons Do?" is a minimum,
and I'm happy to say that most of the MarCons exceed these
requirements.
And where did Ryan not meet the "What Do MarCons Do?"?
http://ooosmp.homelinux.org/GoalsandObjectives/MarketingProject
That is up to Ryan to say if he wishes.
No - it is up to you to tell what is the reason for revoking Ryan's MarCon
role. It is not his.
(And why is the formal guidelines for the OpenOffice.org Marketing Project
on a different domain than openoffice.org - the it does not look formal -
I could write something on ooo.chbs.dk/marketing and state that this is
formal OpenOffice.org Marketing Project guidelines).
The most enjoyable New Year greetings
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