Ian Lynch wrote:
... I would
like to see a URL or at least a link that was more intuitive than

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
Or at least a very obvious link to a wiki where I can see its possible
to immediately get started. If I was new to the OOo project and wanted
to help with say marketing and put OOo and Marketing into Google I would
get to marketing.openoffice.org. Its not immediately obvious if there is
a wiki or if I can contribute to it from what I see there.

I can find nothing on the front page of the Marketing Project that mentions a wiki. If the information is there, it's very well hidden. And given that there is nothing about Marketing on the wiki at the moment, I guess that it's reasonable not to have a link to it from the MP home page.

When I go to the wiki, I see a headline that says "Welcome to OpenOffice.org Development" and everything on the first page suggest that it's for developers only. Potential contributors to Marketing or Documentation or other projects will think "Oh, I'm in the wrong place" and go away. There is *nothing* on that page to direct someone to an appropriate part of the wiki, assuming one exists (even as a stub).

Yes, I know... it's a wiki. I could fix at least some of its problems myself. If I had the time, I would do so. But I'm fully committed doing other things and have been for months.

I am trying to see this from the point of view of someone who is not
part of the OOo project. I have never really found it easy to find
things on the web site even after being part of the project for several
years.

My experience is the same. I've bookmarked specific pages on the OOo website, but if I'm looking for something new, or I'm using someone else's computer that doesn't have my bookmarks on it, I spend a ridiculous amount of time finding what I'm looking for, even when I know it's there. (The page about OOo for the Mac is a recent example.)

The identified problem is barriers to contribution and the proposed
solution is to extend the wiki. I would start off by saying that a link
to the wiki should be central and very obvious on the main marketing
page on the web site. Alternatively all the links that lead to things
like logos etc should go to the relevant wiki pages where people can
simply up load contributions and edit things.

I totally agree with Ian on this: a prominent link to the wiki is essential. But linking to the wiki won't do much good until the wiki has been improved to the point where it is obvious that it is relevant to more than just developers. So the first step is for someone to amend and extend the wiki. I won't have a chance to contribute to this effort for at least a month, because I'm going to be travelling again and am very unlikely to have much opportunity to do more than receive and send email.

Regards, Jean
Jean Hollis Weber

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