Well done Christine. Gian On Fri 08/01/10 19:05 , "Christine Louise Beems" christ...@gozarks.com sent: > I think you raise excellent points, Alexandro and I understand > Florian'sperspective, too. And while it seems to me that both of you (and all > of > us)are seeking to serve the same objective (ie: wise stewardship of > communityresources) in terms of 'how expensive is expensive' I humbly suggest > that > inany collaborative endeavor in order for an informed decison to be made > aboutthe 'wise' allocation of funding or other resource, there must first be > a'marketing plan' so it can be determined whether the (proposed) > projectactually serves the marketing objectives that we (the community) seek > toachieve. > > That is, until we have ratified a marketing plan which clearly > articulatesour (current) objectives, it is impossible to make a > rational/logical > decision regarding the appropriateness of any (proposed) project > fundingbudget. Only after clear marketing objectives are ratified can specific > project costs (face-to-face conferences, exhibit booths, travel > subsidies,promotional materials stipends, virtual networking, etc.) be > honestly > (andrelatively easily) evaluated in proportion to the actual/potential > 'returnon investment' being made by the community in the interest of > (effectively > &eficiently) 'getting the word out' about OOo. > > Anyway, just my 3cents . ~Christine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandro Colorado" j...@openof > fice.org>To: "dev" > dev@marketing.openoffice.org>Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:40 AM > Subject: [marketing] Virtual conferencing system Was: [Funding request for > aVisual Identity meeting in Hamburg] > > > >I rather move the conversation to a new thread, > about the discussion> on face to face vs virtual meetings. Is easy to say > that face to face> is better, is harder to justify who should be > involved into this face> to face and why. Does his tittle makes him eligible > just because he is> the lead, or his nearbyness is the main factor that > can make him> viable for him even if he/she is not the best > person just because> "face to face is better". > > > > I agree that face to face is better, but only if > everyone that want to> participate is available to assist. Yes we do have > an OOoCon, but it> also have those same issues. I WOULDNT say that the > marketing meeting> failed to provide a consensus even thought it was > face to face. But I> would say that time was also an issue and with many > activities in such> few days, face to face proved to not have much > effect on reaching a> final decision on a new marketing plan for > 2010.> > > The way I see, the only way to provide a good > overview is to have most> parties involved and carry on the conversation. > Like Lars said, there> is IRC, Skype and also VoIP. However there is also > other services that> many people use like TinyChat, Stickam, UStream > etc.> > > Hanging with Web 2.0 people, they have proved to be > quicker to adopt> new technology while I still struggle to have a > skype conference with> many people in Sun/OOo because they are not used to > the technology.> > > Then there is the question of price, how expensive > is expensive, for> people be very concern with price on paying a > company to provide> infrastructure, we are very loose to grant travel > budgets. example,> nothing wrong on having 2 600 euros meeting a year > but we would think> that is too expensive to pay 12000 euros to a > company for virtual> services. > > > > So I want to define how expensive is > expensive.> > > Then there is the issue on openess, we are a free > software project and> we should support free and open source options. SIP > is by far more> open than the skype protocol, but skype make it so > easy to use that is> also prefered than the free alternative. I dont > think this is a good> way of looking at things. We should discuss this > further.> > > The other issue is that we see no problem wasting > money on> transportation companies, but how about spending > money on our own OOo> people. I would like to discuss paying for a ticket > vs buying a SIP> phone, Webcam, USB professional microphone for a > project lead or> Marcon. > > > > I much rather spend money in Sophie, Eric, or John > than in Luftansa or> ibis... but that's just me. > > > > -- > > Alexandro Colorado > > OpenOffice.org Español > > IM: j...@jabber.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.orgfor additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > >
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