Great! Sergio will be a great representative of Apache and Marmotta at W3C, thanks for taking the role! ;-)
Greetings, Sebastian 2012/12/14 Sergio Fernández <[email protected]> > Hi Andy, > > perfect, I got my nomination to the WG. On Monday I'll send the > introduction message to the mailing list. > > Thanks so much. > > Cheers, > > > On 14/12/12 11:23, Andy Seaborne wrote: > >> Sergio, >> >> I got the confirmation of your affiliation change from W3C and have >> added you to the ASF people on the LDP WG. >> >> Andy >> >> On 13/12/12 19:05, Sergio Fernández wrote: >> >>> Hi Andy, >>> >>> we have internally discussed this today, and finally we have come to the >>> conclusion that I'll be the person in charge on representing Apache >>> Marmotta at the W3C LDP WG. >>> >>> I've just requested the change of my affiliation at W3C, so you, as AC >>> of ASF, will receive my request. So then you'll be able to nominate me >>> to join the WG, and I can an email introducing myself and Apache >>> Marmotta to the WG members. >>> >>> meanwhile we can discuss where people think we could be more effective >>> in the WG: technical requirements, specification or other aspects. >>> >>> Thanks so much for you support, Andy. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> On 12/12/12 20:51, Sergio Fernández wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I totally agree with Andy that we should collaborate somehow in the W3C >>>> WG. In fact, I'm reading the mailing list and the telcos' minutes since >>>> it was launched, simply because I find it extremely interesting. >>>> Normally actively participate in a WG implies about 10% oftime per week; >>>> just reading of course less. And for the moment our interaction with the >>>> WG is reduced to some private conversations, plus listing LMF in the >>>> wiki as potential LDP implementation: >>>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/LDP_**Implementations<http://www.w3.org/wiki/LDP_Implementations> >>>> >>>> As Sebastian commented, we have discussed internally the membership, and >>>> we have never come to agree on that. Anyway that's not a big issue, >>>> since we could try to access as invited experts. But having ASF as W3C >>>> member makes everything easier :-) >>>> >>>> I have some W3C experience (SWD, SWEO, WebID) from my previous company. >>>> Therefore, if Sebastian prefers to keep out of the front line >>>> discussions, and another person doesn't want to take such a task, I >>>> volunteer to participate in the LDP WG and be the bridge with Marmotta. >>>> I'm pretty sure we'll find the way to make the least impact to my >>>> working responsibilities. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12.12.2012 19:21, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Andy, >>>>> >>>>> thanks for raising this issue. We as an organization (Salzburg >>>>> Research) >>>>> have long considered becoming members of W3C, but in the end we never >>>>> managed to. In general, both time for participation and funding is a >>>>> problem. However, I would greatly appreciate if at least one of the >>>>> project >>>>> contributors would like to act as a member of the LDP working group >>>>> through >>>>> ASF. >>>>> >>>>> I would volunteer, but as you said this decision must not be taken >>>>> lightly, >>>>> and I have had my share of difficult discussions in W3C groups. On the >>>>> other hand, I think it would be good if the project had influence on >>>>> the >>>>> way the LDP develops, because I consider it important to involve people >>>>> really working with code. I will think about it and let you know as >>>>> soon as >>>>> possible (but there is probably no need to hurry). >>>>> >>>>> Any other volunteers? >>>>> >>>>> Greetings, >>>>> >>>>> Sebastian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/12/12 Andy Seaborne <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> The Marmotta proposal refers to the W3C LDP Working Group [1]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Participation in W3C working groups is by representatives of member >>>>>> organisations [*] or, occasionally, as an invited expert. For example, >>>>>> Nandana is on the WG via Universidad Politécnica de Madrid. >>>>>> >>>>>> That makes it difficult for people from non-member organisations to >>>>>> fully >>>>>> participate in the working group discussions. It is possible to make >>>>>> comments [5], which the WG is required to respond to, but it is on >>>>>> separate >>>>>> mailing lists. If you aren't on the WG, you can't send to the WG >>>>>> mailing >>>>>> list [4] directly. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you work for member organisation, you should go via that route to >>>>>> make >>>>>> the IP issues clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> But if you are not an employee of a W3C member, there is another way. >>>>>> >>>>>> ASF is a member of W3C. >>>>>> >>>>>> ASF will nominate committers who want to join a working group and that >>>>>> includes committers of projects in incubation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Currently work areas are the use case and requirements document [3] >>>>>> and >>>>>> refining the spec [2]. There are lots of open issues [6] - they are a >>>>>> bit >>>>>> cryptic if you haven't been following the discussions. >>>>>> >>>>>> If any committer of Marmotta wants to join the LDP-WG via the ASF >>>>>> route >>>>>> then the process is that you are nominated by the ASF W3C rep ... >>>>>> which >>>>>> currently is me :-). >>>>>> >>>>>> At the moment, ASF has two people on the LDP-WG: myself and Henry >>>>>> Story. >>>>>> I'm not very active, and Henry is mainly focused on WebId and it's >>>>>> relationship to LDP. If having 3 is raised as a issue, I'll step aside >>>>>> (there isn't a formal limit as far as I know). >>>>>> >>>>>> One note of caution: to be effective on a WG requires keeping up with >>>>>> the >>>>>> discussions. It does require time spent each week to keep up with the >>>>>> email >>>>>> traffic, before even participating in discussions. It is not a step >>>>>> to be >>>>>> taken too lightly. You are making a personal commitment >>>>>> to the IP policy of the working group so check that out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Current members of the WG => [7] >>>>>> I wouldn't describe all of them as "active". >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> [*] Good use of semweb: >>>>>> >>>>>> A ASF Member is a person >>>>>> A W3C Member is an organisation >>>>>> Very different uses of "member"! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/****wiki/Main_Page<http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/**wiki/Main_Page> >>>>>> <http://www.w3.**org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page<http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] Editors' working draft: Linked Data Platform 1.0 >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/****ldp.html<http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/**ldp.html> >>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/**2012/ldp/hg/ldp.html<http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp.html> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [3] Editors' working draft: UC&R: >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/****wiki/Use_Cases_And_****Requirements<http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/**wiki/Use_Cases_And_**Requirements> >>>>>> <http://www.w3.**org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_**And_Requirements<http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [4] Working group list: >>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/****Public/public-ldp-wg/<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-ldp-wg/> >>>>>> <http://**lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/**public-ldp-wg/<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [5] Working group comments list: >>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/****Public/public-ldp/<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-ldp/> >>>>>> <http://**lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/**public-ldp/<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [6] Open issues: >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/****track/issues/open<http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/**track/issues/open> >>>>>> <http://www.**w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/**open<http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/open> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [7] >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/****dbwg/details?group=55082&****public=1<http://www.w3.org/2000/09/**dbwg/details?group=55082&**public=1> >>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/**2000/09/dbwg/details?group=**55082&public=1<http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=55082&public=1> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> > -- > Sergio Fernández > Salzburg Research > +43 662 2288 318 > Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II > A-5020 Salzburg (Austria) > http://www.salzburgresearch.at >
