Hi Chaps, I apolagise in advance if I have missed some essential past discussion on my following topic. From past experience on the mailing list, my topic has been a recurring one. Forgive me if I am flogging a dead horse - or if I am re-hashing a settled issue. Please post a link if I missed it. I have just returned to working with Maven after being buried in other work for the past few months, and I have to say I am dismayed that there is still no stable release - and at the same time there is talk of maven-new, wiki/xdoc integration, a new POM and a host of other features. Now, of all the discussions I have had with *anyone* about maven, I have never yet had a discussion where someone says to me "Yes, I really like maven but there are not enough features for me". Maven is brimming with features! However, the recurring feedback I get is "when is that project ever going to stabilise enough so I can use it?" I am starting to sympathise with their concerns. We are still putting up with a patched (but broken) B7 - every time we have tried to move to a new release there have been some show-stopping problems (site generation was broken in B8, there was some other problem with B9 which sorry, I dont remember what it was - it was also raised by others on the mailing list). Maven is an excellent tool. The amount of effort that has gone into it is impressive. Whats more it has a huge amount of potential. None of which I see being negatively impacted by a stable release based on current functionality. Maybe I am way off base, but I really think that the lack of a maintained release is starting to turn people away. Call it B10, call it v1.0 - whatever - I think that most users (myself included) would just like to download something like V1.0_07 and have it just... work! Perhaps posting this sort of thing on an OSS mailing list is looking a gift horse in the mouth - but believe me, my aim is not to whinge - I just want an easier job selling Maven in my Corp and to others. Whats more I am prepared to help - if I could just find out whats holding us back from releasing... Cheers, Nick Extranet [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 06/06/2003 12:00 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dev cc: Subject: Maven web site and Wiki Hi, Here are some facts: - Our Maven web site contains lots of inaccuracies and would not suffer from additional documentation - Some Maven users would be happy to contribute if we gave them easy tools for that. The idea: - Transform our web site from a static web site into a Wiki web site. - But not any wiki! One that saves topics in XML format. For example the MoinMoin wiki saves topic in xdocs format (stylebook style unfortunately but that's not too far from our xdocs format and could probably be easily modified ) - Second step: hook the wiki to CVS so that modifications are saved in our Maven CVS, directly in xdocs format. This is possible with MoinMoin and probably with others too. - Note: The MoinMoin wiki also has a "comment" field that could be used as the CVS commit message. We could force the need to have a non-blank text if we wish to make sure there are commit messages. - We get automatically CVS email notifications whenever pages are modified and we can thus easily control the changes made to the wiki and correct when and if needed. Conclusion: - We keep the advantage of our xdocs - We can still edit xdocs directly should we wish - Anyone can contribute easily to the documentation and we get good and up to date Maven documentation. If we agree, there are things to do: - We need to find a machine where the wiki could run (it could be a machine provided by a Friend Of Maven or an Apache one if there's one available) - We need someone to look at MoinMoin (or another wiki) to perform the following: - find how to hook it to CVS - find how to change the default style to be the Maven style (stylesheet) - find how to modify the DTD so that the xdocs are in the Maven xdocs format - find how to define where xdocs are saved in CVS so that we try to match the existing locations of xdocs - We need a Wiki admin What do you think? Thanks -Vincent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and any attachments (the "message") is intended solely for the addressees and is confidential. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and immediately notify the sender. Any use not in accord with its purpose, any dissemination or disclosure, either whole or partial, is prohibited except formal approval. The internet can not guarantee the integrity of this message. BNP PARIBAS (and its subsidiaries) shall (will) not therefore be liable for the message if modified. --------------------------------------------- Ce message et toutes les pieces jointes (ci-apres le "message") sont etablis a l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires et sont confidentiels. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le detruire et d'en avertir immediatement l'expediteur. Toute utilisation de ce message non conforme a sa destination, toute diffusion ou toute publication, totale ou partielle, est interdite, sauf autorisation expresse. L'internet ne permettant pas d'assurer l'integrite de ce message, BNP PARIBAS (et ses filiales) decline(nt) toute responsabilite au titre de ce message, dans l'hypothese ou il aurait ete modifie. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]