>From what I can tell, alternative logging backend can be distributed as
an extension that is dropped into M2_HOME/lib/ext folder. 

The only real limitation is that you can't provide default logging
configuration as part of the extension. This is due to odd/wrong order
of entries in m2.conf file, but I didn't feel too strong about fixing
it. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MNG-5836

-- 
Regards,
Igor

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015, at 08:39 AM, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> Hi Igor,
> 
>   I didn't know this part of the code. It seems to be the right place to
>   do
> it like you did here :
> https://github.com/takari/io.takari.m2e.lifecycle/blob/master/io.takari.m2e.incrementalbuild.core/src/io/takari/m2e/incrementalbuild/core/internal/MavenComponentContributor.java
> 
>   Thus in that case what we should do is to replace for a plugin all
>   slf4j
> artifacts in version < 1.6 it may have in dependency to use a version
> 1.7.x
> like our core.
> 
>   It may me think that the colorized logging may be perhaps distributed
>   as
> an extension ?
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Igor Fedorenko <i...@ifedorenko.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > It is possible to use ClassRealmManagerDelegate to replace "bad"
> > slf4j-related plugin dependencies with compatible "good" dependencies.
> > This is what I do in my "better multithreaded logging" maven extension
> > and it works quite well from what I can tell.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Igor
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > >   After our exchanges this week at ApacheCon Core I wanted to have a look
> > > at what avoided us to provide for exemple in 3.4 a colorised output...
> > >
> > > 1/  Looking at this I found several issues related to a missing export of
> > > classes from SLF4J:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MNG-5787
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MNG-5842
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MNG-5845
> > >
> > >   I fixed it here:
> > >
> > https://github.com/apache/maven/commit/dfed29cc664f0e8f2f06278ff70d3037caf147f0
> > >
> > >   I hesitate to do an integration test for this. It's not really
> > >   difficult
> > > but does it make sense to do this only for this missing slf4j export? The
> > > fix is very small but the problem may be larger and highlight the fact
> > > that
> > > we have no control to verify that what we export is stable over the time.
> > > What we should have is like a Clirr (http://clirr.sourceforge.net)
> > > control
> > > but which should include all the APIs we are making visible to plugins.
> > > There is no simple solution to do this AFAIK. Any feedback/advice ?
> > >
> > > 2/  To come back to my original problem to provide colors in Maven
> > > console
> > > you can look at these for references:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MNG-3507
> > > http://www.aheritier.net/united-colors-of-maven/
> > > https://emmanuelbernard.com/blog/2015/07/27/maven-color/
> > >
> > >   In theory the change isn't more difficult than this commit :
> > >
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cddea291c279130d437bcdf3337f16296558530
> > >
> > >   But sadly because of our usage of slf4j which has a known backward
> > > incompatibility issue between 1.5 and 1.6 versions it is quickly a
> > > nightmare because if a plugin has a direct or transitive dependency to a
> > > slf4j additional artifact in version <=1.5 it will fail because of the
> > > incompatibility like here
> > >
> > > [ERROR] Failed to execute goal
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-checkstyle-plugin:2.15:check
> > > (checkstyle-check) on project maven-checkstyle-plugin: Execution
> > > checkstyle-check of goal
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-checkstyle-plugin:2.15:check failed: An
> > > API
> > > incompatibility was encountered while executing
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-checkstyle-plugin:2.15:check:
> > > java.lang.NoSuchMethodError:
> > >
> > org.slf4j.spi.LocationAwareLogger.log(Lorg/slf4j/Marker;Ljava/lang/String;ILjava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/Throwable;)V
> > >
> > > [ERROR] -----------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > [ERROR] realm =
> > > plugin>org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-checkstyle-plugin:2.15
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems to be the case for a lot of plugins which are always using maven
> > > 2.x artefacts like checkstyle :
> > >
> > > arnaud@Arnauds-MacBook-Pro
> > :~/Code/maven/trunks/plugins/maven-checkstyle-plugin
> > > $ mvn dependency:tree -Dincludes=*:*slf4j*:* -Dverbose
> > >
> > > [INFO] Scanning for projects...
> > >
> > > [INFO]
> > >
> > >
> > > [INFO]
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > [INFO] Building Apache Maven Checkstyle Plugin 2.17-SNAPSHOT
> > >
> > > [INFO]
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > [INFO]
> > >
> > > [INFO] --- maven-dependency-plugin:2.8:tree (default-cli) @
> > > maven-checkstyle-plugin ---
> > >
> > > [INFO]
> > >
> > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-checkstyle-plugin:maven-plugin:2.17-SNAPSHOT
> > >
> > > [INFO] \- org.apache.maven:maven-core:jar:2.2.1:compile
> > >
> > > [INFO]    +-
> > > org.apache.maven.wagon:wagon-webdav-jackrabbit:jar:1.0-beta-6:runtime
> > >
> > > [INFO]    |  +- org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav:jar:1.5.0:runtime
> > >
> > > [INFO]    |  |  \- (org.slf4j:slf4j-api:jar:1.5.3:runtime - omitted for
> > > conflict with 1.5.6)
> > >
> > > [INFO]    |  \- org.slf4j:slf4j-nop:jar:1.5.3:runtime
> > >
> > > [INFO]    |     \- (org.slf4j:slf4j-api:jar:1.5.3:runtime - omitted for
> > > duplicate)
> > >
> > > [INFO]    +- org.slf4j:slf4j-jdk14:jar:1.5.6:runtime
> > >
> > > [INFO]    |  \- org.slf4j:slf4j-api:jar:1.5.6:runtime
> > >
> > > [INFO]    \- org.slf4j:jcl-over-slf4j:jar:1.5.6:runtime
> > >
> > > [INFO]
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > [INFO] BUILD SUCCESS
> > >
> > > [INFO]
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > [INFO] Total time: 2.289 s
> > >
> > > [INFO] Finished at: 2015-10-02T15:39:28+02:00
> > >
> > > [INFO] Final Memory: 20M/336M
> > >
> > > [INFO]
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >   A common use case for plugins or there librairies may often to add
> > >   slf4j
> > > additional artefacts to redirect to SLF4J the output of others logging
> > > librairies.
> > >
> > >   Sadly we cannot know if the usage they have may be relevant and we have
> > > no solution AFAIK to  blacklist some reps or to enforce the version of a
> > > library to use (or we have to expose all SLF4J artefacts from core and
> > > I'm
> > > afraid that it will be the source of too many others incompatibility
> > > issues.
> > >
> > >   For now I don't understand why the fact to change the logging
> > > implementation enforces me to fix the slf4j conflict (
> > >
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c293743765b46a382371f5789e769bcac89f450
> > ).
> > > It isn't required with master and I don't see how replacing slf4j-simple
> > > by
> > > log4j2 can increase our risk to have the slf4j backward incompatibility.
> > > How is it possible that it works in master ?
> > >
> > >
> > >   Like discussed with Robert, Tibor, Hervé and Tamas for now it may be a
> > > good idea for 3.4 to always provide the classical package with the
> > > classical simple-logger and to provide another package/assembly including
> > > the colorised version which may allow people to easily give it a try.
> > >
> > >   Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > --
> > > -----
> > > Arnaud Héritier
> > > http://aheritier.net
> > > Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com
> > > Twitter/Skype : aheritier
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