On Mon, 29 May 2023 at 21:51, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarba...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I would suggest to create an umbrella project like:
>
> apache-maven-project
>
> on github and make it the central starting point for users... to ask
> question (discussions) and optionally reroute them to the appropriate
> github repos...
>

we can;t really get rid of ML user or dev.
Is it what you mean here?

>
> In general I agree to the tendency to use GH issues etc. instead of JIRA
> based on the hurdles which exists (for a lot of reasons)...
>
> I second Hervé's suggestion to write down the needed/practical steps ...
> and start going...what about things currently in JIRA and needed to be
> migrated moved etc. ..We have a large history in JIRA...
>
>
> To fulfill the formalism (also have documented the decision here on the
> ML) we should start simply a VOTE to get an in general decision about
> moving to GH-issues to leave JIRA behind... (not about the details) that
> can be done later on...(for example using GH discussions etc.)
>
> afterwards we can decide with which project we would like to start and
> fiddle the details.
>
>
> Kind regards
> Karl Heinz Marbaise
>
> On 27.05.23 09:22, Hervé Boutemy wrote:
> > on testing GH issues migration from Jira: yes
> >
> > cache-extension [1] looks like an interesting example, given it has a small
> > history with its Jira content
> > we also have mvnd which uses GH issues from the start: testing and making
> > clear practices on release and release notes could also be worked there [2]
> >
> > we'll need to write down what practical steps such a migration requires
> > => probably a good fit for our Wiki, where we already organized equivalent
> > updates in the past [3]
> >
> > on using GH discussions, I suppose this should be an independent next
> > discussion
> >
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/maven-build-cache-extension
> >
> > [2] https://github.com/apache/maven-mvnd
> >
> > [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Maven+Infrastructure
> >
> > Le vendredi 26 mai 2023, 09:44:00 CEST Olivier Lamy a écrit :
> >> Hi,
> >> This has been already discussed in the past.
> >> But due to recent changes in ASF Jira infrastructure (limitation of
> >> Jira users, validation of account creation).
> >> Maybe we could reconsider moving from Jira to GH issues and why not
> >> simplify the workflow as well.
> >> I imagine not having to create an issue if a PR exists first (sounds
> >> like duplicate work).
> >> By the way, release notes will be automatically created from PRs.
> >> (could be manually modified if a change doesn't have a PR).
> >>
> >> Regarding migration, we can start project by project.
> >> Few options:
> >> - extreme simplicity, do not migrate any data (just mark the Jira
> >> project as read only with a banner/link to corresponding gh issues).
> >> If someone really needs an issue to get fixed he will clone it to GH
> >> - middle complexity, migrate only open issues (components moved as a label)
> >> - extreme complexity, migrate all issues of a project (components
> >> moved as a label and version created)
> >>
> >> We can start by small projects such as cache-extension and one plugin
> >> (compiler?)
> >>
> >> Regarding GH discussions, maybe we can open discussions for
> >> https://github.com/apache/maven which sounds like a natural place for
> >> users to go. (discussions could be mirrored to a ML)
> >> I do not have a strong opinion here, but I feel like opening
> >> discussions for every single repo will be complicated to follow up.
> >>
> >> WDYT?
> >>
> >> cheers
> >> Olivier
> >>
>
>
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