Scala has lousy support and the language is dying mainly because Scala3 seems
like a Kotlin clone (with poor support). The folks that run Scala are
academics and it shows in their marketing and mismanagement of the language.
However, Kotlin is growing and it would be very surprising for me to meet a
Java dev under 25 that doesn't do most of their work in Kotlin or Scala.
For you is it more that the new features are really that good or is it that the
new languages aren't innovating ATM? For instance, perhaps Kotlin focuses on
Android too much for a general purpose language? The really sad part is that
Kotlin (and Scala) would be a far better language for ML/analytics folks than
Python but nobody uses it that way so the language's features are all focused
on Android dev.
Hunter
On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 07:18:07 AM PST, Romain Manni-Bucau
<rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Le mar. 6 févr. 2024 à 16:12, Hunter C Payne
<hunterpayne2...@yahoo.com.invalid> a écrit :
> There are also license differences between Java 8 and Java 9+. And the
> improvements beyond 8 are not things the market seems to want. Nobody
> wants Jigsaw and the API improvements aren't enough to get people to
> upgrade. Those that really want new language features use Scala or Kotlin
> and those both run best on Java 8. Just to add some other reasons why Java
> 9+ isn't really something the market wants.
>
While I agree with the JPMS - and I was agreeing until 3-4 years ago on the
rest - I kind of disagree with the rest which is no more true since java
17+ IMO. Also Scala is slowly dying while Kotlin does not get much more
traction every year now so world changed and our old habits must probably
too IMHO ;).
> Hunter
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 06:01:07 AM PST, Elliotte Rusty Harold
> <elh...@ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:46 PM Benjamin Marwell <bmarw...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
>
> > Besides that, most big (tech) companies do not allow unmaintained or
> > unsupported software.
>
> How I wish that were true. Unmaintained and unsupported software is
> all over the place, in big tech, little tech, enterprise, and my
> mother's MacBook. I doubt you can install a Linux distro that doesn't
> depend critically on some unmaintained library no one is paying
> attention to.
>
> What big tech mono-repo companies do differently that most other
> companies don't is build everything from source themselves, kernel and
> build tools included, so that when some critical bug surfaces they can
> dig into the code and fix it. They are mostly not dependent on
> binaries shipped by third parties. It's a feasible option for
> companies in the hundreds of billions of dollars range. For the rest
> of us, not so much.
>
> --
> Elliotte Rusty Harold
> elh...@ibiblio.org
>
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