Hi Steve,

Thanks for taking the time to check out our project. The SNAPSHOT jars 
that are in Muse are from Axis2 - we are dependent on fixes that happened 
post-1.0, and the 1.1 version is not out yet. We only included the Axis2 
WAR as a convenience to people who wanted to use the code generation 
tooling (it generates a complete Axis2 project, not just Java code). We 
could modify the build to not include the Axis2 WAR and ask people to 
download it themselves if that would help.

Thanks,
Dan





Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
09/20/2006 09:04 AM
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Re: [VOTE] Muse 2.0.0 release






Daniel Jemiolo wrote:
 > The Muse development team has worked hard over the spring and summer
 > months, enhancing, refactoring, fixing, and polishing the 2.x code 
base,
 > and the time has come to vote on a release for version 2.0.0. I am very
 > proud of the members of our team - both the committers who have
 > contributed and taken responsibility for large sections of code, and
 > non-committers who have rolled up their sleeves and wrestled with the
 > code, samples, and build artifacts until the project met the 
expectations
 > we had set for it. I'm also excited to see other open source projects
 > already using our code, as it gives us fresh perspectives on how to 
make
 > WSRF and WSDM easier for other programmers.
 >
 > To the committers and PMC members: please cast your vote on the 
release of
 > Muse 2.0.0, the artifacts for which are found here:
 >
 >         http://www.apache.org/~danj/muse/2.0.0
 >
 > Here's my +1 for this release.
 >

Daniel,

I'm going to vote -1 until the binaries dont include any dependent jars 
marked -SNAPSHOT

We had this problem with muse 1.0, which also shipped using -SNAPSHOT 
libraries. It was impossible for anyone else to rebuild the application. 
you take the source as supplied, point maven at it, and end up pulling 
down different artifacts which may not link, and if they do, may not 
work correctly. It also raises problems downstream with support calks. 
If axiom-on-muse fails, who do I take this up with? Muse will bounce to 
Axiom, axiom will say 'old snapshot, not supported, go away'.

I raised this issue with the muse 1.0 team in personal emails, and have 
just reviewed the 2.0 .zip file to see if the problem has gone away. It 
hasnt.

In an ideal world, a project would not release with dependencies on 
anything other than supported, x.0 artifacts, just as in an ideal world 
standards cannot depend on anything other than stable release of other 
standards. Given that WSN must go down in OASIS history as the first 
specification to depend on two different draft versions of another spec, 
namely WS-A 2003/03 and WSA 2004/04, you will surely appreciate the 
value in having stable and consistent underpinnings.

If the -SNAPSHOT artifacts can be dated and the ant/maven build which 
ships with the source includes these dated artifacts such that I can do 
a build from that source snapshot and have .class files that match those 
of the release, then I will vote +1.

Please dont take this as any fault of the muse 2.0 release itself; I 
look forward to interop testing a public endpoint against my Alpine 
stack. I just dont want us to ship out as a point release something that 
end users cannot rebuild. If we do that, we have lost the downstream 
developer community.

-Steve

cc:d the maven dev list to emphasise that somehow this needs to be 
addressed. the ease of pulling in snapshots of other projects means that 
people tend to do it at release time. kept the muse-dev and -user lists, 
but I'm not sure if they will get through as I am not subscribing to them.

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