On 14 Jun 07, at 2:32 PM 14 Jun 07, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
Jason van Zyl ha scritto:
On 14 Jun 07, at 10:36 AM 14 Jun 07, Carlos Sanchez wrote:
I'm not talking about what our users do, I'm talking about what the
ASF policy seems to be
Ask five people and you'll get five different answers.
Bottom line is who cares, I'll keep adapting to what people think is
necessary and we'll feed it back into the system.
I have some statistic of downloads for Apache JAMES Server (email
server).
We distribute both binary and source distributions:
2,584 binary.zip
589 binary.tar.gz
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3,173
Do you actually deploy with Maven? I imagine you have the standard
set of people debugging the sources. I would say that's the number
one use of source downloads whereas with Maven coupled with doing
proper releases, inside IDEs all current integration pull down the
source and javadoc JARs. This is for Maven itself as well.
466 source.zip
118 source.tar.gz
343 sdksource.zip
164 source-withcontainer.zip
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1,091
So it seems 25% of all downloads were source distribution.
It is not maven, but maybe this help your choices.
Takes me a couple minutes so it's not a big deal to make it.
Furthermore I created a maven skin for apache james including code for
Google Analytics, and expecially including special code so that
links to
package downloads to mirror sites are monitored on the onClick and
added
to statistics.
if you are interested see the final part of this file:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/james/project/trunk/maven-skin/src/
main/resources/META-INF/maven/site.vm?revision=532445&view=markup
Stefano
On 6/14/07, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 14 Jun 07, at 9:39 AM 14 Jun 07, Carlos Sanchez wrote:
that's what I understood too, source release is mandatory and
binary optional
This is a throwback to HTTPD where a source distribution made more
sense because of platform issues. I'm willing to bet 99.9999% of
users don't build from sources and take the binaries. Of course
it's
important to have the sources available but in all practical terms
most users will never use them.
On 6/14/07, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/14/07, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We've never had one, but I can certainly make one by
exporting the
tag and zipping it up. All the source archives to date are
simply the
source as record, they don't include anything in there to build
them.
I don't think this is useful at all to anyone but if it's a
legal
requirement to have a buildable-from-source distribution it will
take
me a few minutes to make it. I'm not sure Maven SCM supports and
export that would work and I'm certainly not going to mess
around
with that at this stage to put in the build. But if we want
to give
people what I actually used to build the release then the tag
should
be exported and zipped up.
I did that (svn export and zip) for Archiva 0.9-alpha-2, but I
had to
add LICENSE and NOTICE because they were not in svn. For
Struts I
use
the assembly plugin to piece together the same thing you get
with svn
export.
Anyway, I don't think it's a legal requirement so much as it's
"what
we do". I mentioned it when I cleaned up the /dist/maven
directory,
and Henri commented on it then but we never finished the
discussion.
The release FAQ is as close to ASF "policy" as we've got:
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
"The Apache Software Foundation produces open source software.
All
releases are in the form of the source materials needed to make
changes to the software being released. In some cases, binary/
bytecode
packages are also produced as a convenience to users that
might not
have the appropriate tools to build a compiled version of the
source.
..."
There's a similar conversation happening on commons-dev:
http://www.nabble.com/-all--What-is-a-release--WAS%3A--vote--
releasing-jci-RC3-as-1.0-...maybe-this-time--
t3898124.html#a11050531
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Wendy
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