On Feb 19, 2008 9:40 AM, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 19-Feb-08, at 9:36 AM, Carlos Sanchez wrote:
>
> > I think you misunderstood. The dependencyManagement is used for
> > project dependencies, fine with that.
> > When you use a plugin no dependencyManagement is applied. The current
> > project depMan shouldn't be applied because it's only for projects, so
> > that's ok.
> >
> > The problem comes when a plugin is built using dependencyManagement to
> > force some dependencies. When that plugin is used, the
> > dependencyManagement of the plugin is ignored, so you run it with
> > different dependencies than the ones you build it with.
> >
>
> So there is no Map used during the plugin's artifact resolution at
> runtime is what you're saying, yes?
right, and I think it should use the plugin Map that was used during
the plugin build
>
>
> >
> > On Feb 19, 2008 9:24 AM, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 19-Feb-08, at 9:07 AM, Carlos Sanchez wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Feb 19, 2008 7:46 AM, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 11:54 PM, Carlos Sanchez wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to get some feedback in MNG-3410, particularly from
> >>>>> John as
> >>>>> he has been working on this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you build and install a plugin with managed versions that
> >>>>> affect
> >>>>> plugin transitive dependencies, when it's used the dependency
> >>>>> management is ignored
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the dependency management affects the plugin direct dependecies
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> works properly because the information is merged.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dependency management should not affect anything to do with
> >>>> plugins.
> >>>> If that is happening that is completely wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dependencies and what plugins use should be completely separate. A
> >>>> project's classpath should never affect what is used in a plugin's
> >>>> execution.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> it is, the problem is dependencyManagement in the plugin pom
> >>>
> >>
> >> Then somewhere the Map that is used for managed dependencies is
> >> getting fed into both the project's resolution and the plugin's
> >> resolution and that definitely needs to be separated. Even if we
> >> decide there are certain cases where they should be shared (and I
> >> can't actually think of any real cases except for maybe Antlr vX
> >> generated code needing Antlr vX runtime code which needs to be
> >> aligned) they should be separate so we knowingly combine them if
> >> necessary.
> >>
> >> Problem is if you find that shared Map what are we going to break if
> >> you separate them now? Just thinking aloud.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> eg.
> >>>>> Plugin A depends on jar B that depends on jar C[1.0]
> >>>>> A dependencyManagement explicitly forces C[2.0], you build and
> >>>>> install
> >>>>> using C[2.0] in the classpath
> >>>>
> >>>> dependencyManagement in your POM or in the plugin's POM?
> >>>
> >>> dependencyManagement in plugin's pom (A)
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you use plugin A in your pom it will be used with C version 1.0
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jason
> >>>>
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> >>
> >> Jason
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> Jason
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