Olivier can clarify but appears to me to ship all implementations with 
configurations to let the user flip.

I don't think anyone can honestly justify shipping Log4J2 by default, I think 
Logback is appropriate so he's trying to accommodate everyone's PoV. But I 
still think we have to pick an implementation.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Benson Margulies <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Olivier Lamy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I just try to make more than one happy so what is your reason ?
>>> 
>> 
>> That shipping multiple implementations means we have to support them for no 
>> particular reason. I think that setup is fairly convoluted for users, and 
>> still we have really determined it's really of any use to the average user. 
>> Downloading some things and placing them in the ext/ directory for the odd 
>> time someone is going to need it I think works perfectly fine.
>> 
>> We should pick one implementation by default like we do with anything else. 
>> Logging is not special.
> 
> Wait, didn't I read Olivier to write that he does *not* propose to
> ship more than one, merely to offer a quickie shortcut to turning on
> another if someone drops it into place? Or am I confused?
> 
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
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