Yeah, I tried digging the thread up and didn't find it; maybe you'll have
more luck than me.  Iirc, it was more a "best practices" thing than an
actual hard rule.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:17 PM, Otto Fowler <ottobackwa...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I’ll try to the list history, we had this conversation a while ago, I’m not
> sure whom it was ( MattF or DLyle ).
> My recollection was that this was the ‘proper’ way to build RPMs and the
> concern was to do it correctly by
> book.
>
>
> On April 18, 2018 at 13:21:38, Nick Allen (n...@nickallen.org) wrote:
>
> Can someone clarify how the change log entries are useful? Who would use
> them and why?
>
> I assume there is some way to view them when the RPMs are installed on a
> host, but I've never found a need to do that.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Michael Miklavcic <
> michael.miklav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think I like Casey's recommendation here. Would you want to simply say
> > that a release was cut, or actually list the changes under the release?
> We
> > could probably do a couple things to that end.
> >
> > 1. Per Otto's comment, get the existing changelog in order - I think we
> > should modify it to reflect a per-release formatting, which would mean
> > grabbing historical changes to that file and enumerating them per release
> > (or just having a very simple single change note).
> > e.g., the 0.4.2 items get merged as follows (changing the date
> accordingly
> > to reflect the release date)
> >
> > * Tue Sep 25 2017 Apache Metron <dev@metron.apache.org> - 0.4.2
> > - Add Alerts UI
> > - Updated and renamed metron-rest script
> >
> > 2. Depending on how you guys feel about granularity, we could make
> changes
> > in the current release added as a line-item under a CURRENT or
> > 0.4.3-SNAPSHOT version, e.g.
> > * RELEASE-DATE Apache Metron <dev@metron.apache.org> - CURRENT
> > - METRON-1499 Enable Configuration of Unified Enrichment Topology via A
> > - METRON-1483: Create a tool to monitor performance of the topologies c
> > - METRON-1397 Support for JSON Path and complex documents in JSONMapPar
> > - METRON-1460: Create a complementary non-split-join enrichment topology
> > - METRON-1302: Split up Indexing Topology into batch and random access
> > - METRON-1378: Create a summarizer
> >
> > Or have the release manager do it. The first route would leave a dev on
> the
> > hook, but the release manager would then simply need to update the date
> and
> > version info rather than collect all the changes. I'm unsure off the top
> of
> > my head if rpm will blow a gasket over the date and version formatting,
> but
> > we can find a way to make that work. The other approach would mean just
> > doing a git log on the spec file and grabbing the delta since last
> release.
> > Side note, I kind of like the idea of having the Jira ticket number in
> the
> > comment like that in the second example. What do you guys think?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Otto Fowler <ottobackwa...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think having the spec file updated with the changes per release is
> > fine,
> > > but is the release manager
> > > going to do that?
> > >
> > > If so then the docs need to be updated. Also, we *should* true up any
> > > missing entries from the file now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On April 18, 2018 at 11:02:35, Casey Stella (ceste...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think I'd prefer to see the changelog only include the release
> entries,
> > > rather than individual entries per dev. We keep the spec file in source
> > > control to determine the individual changes between releases. I'm happy
> > to
> > > have my mind changed, though.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Michael Miklavcic <
> > > michael.miklav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We discovered yesterday while reviewing a PR that the RPM changelog
> > > hasn't
> > > > been maintained since 9/25/17. There are 7 changes to that file that
> > have
> > > > not been logged in the changelog itself. The question is if we want
> to
> > > keep
> > > > maintaining the changelog and, if so, should we patch the existing
> log
> > > with
> > > > the missing commits. Any opinions on this? I myself don't have a
> strong
> > > > opinion either way, but we shouldn't leave it in its current state.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Quoting the conversation between myself and Justin Leet:
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/996#issuecomment-382194736
> > > > @justinleet Do we still want/need to do this? The last log change was
> > Tue
> > > > Sep 25 2017 by @merrimanr in METRON-1207. However, there have been 6
> > > > changes to the spec since then that have not made it to the change
> > log. I
> > > > believe there was a reason we started doing this (in duplication of
> > > source
> > > > control), but I don't recall specifically. Do remember why that was?
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/996#issuecomment-382199021
> > > > I believe, and my memory is pretty fuzzy, is that it's best practice
> to
> > > > maintain that changelog because it's useful for auditing and tracking
> > > > purposes given that it's available on the rpm itself.
> > > >
> > > > There's probably a couple questions here
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. Are we going to maintain it going forward? If not, we should just
> > > > dump it entirely.
> > > > 2. If we choose to do so, do we want/need to update the changelog for
> > > > the missing commits (and probably to use the dev list as authors,
> > rather
> > > > than individuals)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Might be worth opening a discuss on it. I could be persuaded either
> way
> > > in
> > > > terms of whether we update it for this PR or not, but I have a slight
> > > > preference on adding it until there's agreement we aren't doing it.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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