Hi Jean-François,
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
Hi,
before we can have the discussion, I need to make sure every body
agree (all other commiters :-)) to start a discussion on the grizzly
side. So gives me a couple of days :-)
No problem. We are not in a hurry !
I will add:
+ Have a new JSR filled (OK, might not be the best thing for Apache
right now to talk about JSR).
Honestly, having a JSR filled would be the most perfect thing, IMHO.
This is the best way to get things neutral, and shared. Btw, I don't
think there is something wrong with Apache and JSRs. It's not because
there are some discussions (dispute ?) on some other projects that we
should just consider the JSR process as bad. It's the way it's handled
which can be good wrong.
Note that before the discussion start, I just want to make sure
peoples here are aware how bad it when the last time we have worked on
an Apache project (Tomcat), mostly because peoples mixed "people
working at Sun" vs "Sun as a company".
Egos... You will find people in the ASF (and in any other organization)
categorizing others as "working for sun = evil", "working for IBM=evil",
"working for M$=double evil power 3", etc ... You are a Sun employee,
and an Apache committer, as many others (James Duncan, Ted Leung, Nick
Kew, *Craig R. McClanahan, Craig Russell, all ASF members).
I don't think it can be a problem per se, if we just get the ego out of
the story.
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I can't speak for my colleague, but I will not enter any feud/war with
the MINA community on the usual Sun-bashing exercise. You can
destroy/criticize Grizzly (and me :-)), and that one is fine. But the
anti-Sun complains a lot of Apache members like sometimes to start is
something I would like to avoid :-)
Ahhh... It's always the same story with Sun employees : they are
complaining ;) Ok, sorry, just kidding !
Seriously, we met at ApacheCon EU, and we have had one of the most
interesting convo about MINA and Grizzly, an open minded convo, full of
insights. I don't know how possibly it can turn to a SUN/ASF-bashing
thing. The only problem we should avoid is a License debate, as we won't
be able to go to another license than a ASL-2.0 one, for obvious
reasons. But even then, if Sun want to go for CDDL, a JSR proposal will
solve this issue.
Let's move on, and face the problems when they will arrive, otherwise we
will discuss forever about Sun bashing, Global warming, Obamah vs
Clinton, Evolution vs Creation, etc :)
Thanks Jean-François !
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cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
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