On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Leonidas Fegaras <[email protected]>wrote:

> Alex, I see your point. You are right. We need to find something more
> appropriate. It's not urgent.
>

Thanks for understanding Leonidas. Really I hated having to push this point
but in the end we would have been disappointed for having to change it
later :(. Really sorry for it.


> Maybe we should not use the 'miracle' pronunciation too. MRQL should be
> pronounced M-R-Q-L, not miracle. It's not important to use this name and
> may sound a bit silly and obnoxious.
>

I agree with Ed's post.

The miracle thing is very broad and universal. It could also mean something
that was impossible but just happened. I don't think there would be an
issue with that in the Incubator. The thing is picking one religious
group's icon over another. That's what brings about problems.

Again thanks for being a good sport about this. I hate being the harbinger
of bad news. It really sucks.

Regards,
Alex


>
>
> On 04/04/2013 03:21 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <[email protected]<mailto:
>> [email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>     What do you thing about this logo?
>>
>>     
>> http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-**logo.jpg<http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-logo.jpg>
>>
>>     Its the elephant-god Ganesha writing code using the Apache feather.
>>     Leonidas
>>
>>
>>
>> -1 (strong)
>>
>> <mentor-hat-on>
>> The use of religious, national, or political symbols are unacceptable for
>> a logo/mascot at the ASF. Think about it like this: would a logo with Jesus
>> healing a blind man (miracles being performed) be acceptable? Using Ganesha
>> is essentially the same thing. Please pick something else as the
>> logo/mascot figure. Stay away from religion: it's not our business.
>> </mentor-hat-on>
>>
>> I'll be retarded and fully spell it out for you guys. I'm not trying to
>> be a dick about it so please hear me out and understand why.
>>
>> Personally I think it's cute and again kind of plays on miracles and
>> Hadoop's elephant motif. I see what you're trying to do/convey and I
>> appreciate it. This would be great if MRQL was not here at Apache. We
>> however are in the Apache Incubator and there are rules and "ways" we have
>> to follow. So unfortunately you must compromise and can't pick these kinds
>> of figures to use for a logo/mascot.
>>
>> So I'm fine with Ganesha but I hate to think about having someone yank
>> the logo out of my hands (and be right for doing so) after I've invested so
>> much time and emotion using it for months or a year. It would be a bummer.
>>
>> Come graduation time it will become another contentious discussion that
>> will consume much time and energy.
>>
>> Although untrue, just presume that I or someone else am insulted by this
>> as a non-Hindu. You are opening up a can of worms here.
>>
>> Can you see this?
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> -- Alex
>> .
>>
>
>


-- 
Best Regards,
-- Alex

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