-1

There’s too few non-Amazonians for this to be fair IMHO.  While I am in
strong favor of more non-Amazonians being part of the community, making a
rule (or guideline) like this would put a very small group of people in
control of the PMC.  In addition, that “day job” line is a bit gray in
areas, as there are several people not officially employed by a company
that still interact and participate with said company in such a way that’s
nearly indistinguishable from employment.  Many potential committers and
PMC won’t interact with the non-Amazonians at all (since there are so few),
so they’d be relegated to obscurity and hopelessness by default.

Also, I’d be interested in some precedent from another major Apache project
along these lines.  My understanding is that Apache and day job are usually
meant to be separated when considering committers/PMC.

-Chris

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM Steffen Rochel <steffenroc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Tianqi -
> +1 . I like the idea to grow diversity at the project and encourage
> communication beyond people sitting next to each other. I also support the
> way you described as guideline, not has a hard rule. I think it is
> important we focus on merit and contributions when evaluating nominee for
> committer and PPMC.
>
> Carin started a draft document for revised criteria for committer and PPMC
> membership
> <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> >.
> I suggest to contribute, provide feedback and suggestion including your
> proposal.
>
> Steffen
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:22 AM Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear MXNet Community:
> >
> > There has been a great discussion going on in terms of
> > PMC/Committer Criteria.  As a community move forward, it is important to
> > make the community inclusive to everyone and encourage folks to work
> > together.
> >
> > I want to propose the following proposal courtesy: when a PMC proposes a
> > committer/PMC member, for courtesy of the community, she/he should only
> > propose a person from a different organization(company).
> >
> > The idea behind that is that the Apache project goes beyond a single
> > organization, it is important to recognize others, including those from a
> > different organization in the community, and get your merit being
> > recognized by others.
> >
> > Admittedly, this would also give more "power" to the PMC members from
> > minority organizations -- which I think is a good thing. This might also
> > encourage everyone to work together and talk to folks who are beyond your
> > next door
> >
> > Tianqi
> >
>

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