I think it was removed from the document by Steffen from feedback https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4ed84034f9cac4cacae865dd5b5699aa1f9d650c0feee37072df41fa@%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
The diff is here https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/diffpagesbyversion.action?pageId=95652053&selectedPageVersions=4&selectedPageVersions=3 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 4:29 PM Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: > Neither can I. > > > On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:19 AM, Naveen Swamy <mnnav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > this suggestion looks like it is putting the onus on contributors to > > collaborate with contributors outside their org to get nominated to be > > committer or a PMC of this project. > > Every organization has its own business goals, on the way to meet their > > objectives if their employees happen to be great contributors to this > > project, I would expect PMC members(wearing their Apache hat) to > recognize > > them and give them a greater role in the project. > > I would assume the responsibility of increasing the diversity is solely > > upon the PMC members, the PMC should look ways to evangelize the project, > > mentor new contributors, nominate and make them a part of the project's > > journey. > > I do agree that we have to increase the diversity and suggest to explore > > different ways( for example collaborate with other successful Open source > > projects to get their members excited about MXNet). > > > > Guideline or not, I cannot agree to this in principle. > > -1 > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:22 PM Tianqi Chen <tqc...@cs.washington.edu> > > wrote: > > > >>> > >>> Many potential committers and > >>> PMC won’t interact with the non-Amazonians at all (since there are so > >> few), > >>> so they’d be relegated to obscurity and hopelessness by default. > >>> > >> > >> If potential contributors do not comes from Amazon, then the Amazonian > PMC > >> can nominate them :) If the potential contributors does comes from > Amazon, > >> then it is not a bad thing to interact with bigger part of the > community. I > >> can expect that as more non-Amazonian contributors get nonimated, this > >> would make the process more healthy. > >> > >> Like neural networks, any guideline can be played in adverserial fashion > >> (e.g. in the case of the gray areas). I think having a goodwill to push > the > >> guideline will understandably make people to work together. > >> > >> Afterall, this is an Apache project that should goes beyond a single > >> company > >> > >> Tianqi > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM Steffen Rochel < > steffenroc...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Tianqi - > >>>> +1 . I like the idea to grow diversity at the project and encourage > >>>> communication beyond people sitting next to each other. I also support > >>> the > >>>> way you described as guideline, not has a hard rule. I think it is > >>>> important we focus on merit and contributions when evaluating nominee > >> for > >>>> committer and PPMC. > >>>> > >>>> Carin started a draft document for revised criteria for committer and > >>> PPMC > >>>> membership > >>>> < > >>>> > >>> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal > >>>>> . > >>>> I suggest to contribute, provide feedback and suggestion including > your > >>>> proposal. > >>>> > >>>> Steffen > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:22 AM Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Dear MXNet Community: > >>>>> > >>>>> There has been a great discussion going on in terms of > >>>>> PMC/Committer Criteria. As a community move forward, it is important > >>> to > >>>>> make the community inclusive to everyone and encourage folks to work > >>>>> together. > >>>>> > >>>>> I want to propose the following proposal courtesy: when a PMC > >> proposes > >>> a > >>>>> committer/PMC member, for courtesy of the community, she/he should > >> only > >>>>> propose a person from a different organization(company). > >>>>> > >>>>> The idea behind that is that the Apache project goes beyond a single > >>>>> organization, it is important to recognize others, including those > >>> from a > >>>>> different organization in the community, and get your merit being > >>>>> recognized by others. > >>>>> > >>>>> Admittedly, this would also give more "power" to the PMC members from > >>>>> minority organizations -- which I think is a good thing. This might > >>> also > >>>>> encourage everyone to work together and talk to folks who are beyond > >>> your > >>>>> next door > >>>>> > >>>>> Tianqi > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >
