If this tiny fix is representative of the bulk of the reasoning behind all the the CD churn recently, then this seems to be of some concern.
-Chris On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:32 AM Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great, thanks a lot sheng! > > -Marco > > Sheng Zha <zhash...@apache.org> schrieb am Do., 9. Jan. 2020, 14:28: > > > I'm fixing the CD pipeline in > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/17259/files and will > > update the s3 publish path so that it's friendly for automatically > > generating such page. > > > > -sz > > > > On 2020/01/06 18:19:52, "Lausen, Leonard" <lau...@amazon.com.INVALID> > > wrote: > > > Consider a user finds a bug in a nightly version but we can't narrow > > down the > > > version of mxnet used as the name is constant over time. Or users wan't > > to > > > revert back to the previous nightly version installed but don't know > > which date > > > it was from due to constant name. > > > > > > Instead I suggest we introduce an autogenerated page like > > > https://download.pytorch.org/whl/nightly/cu101/torch_nightly.html > > > > > > Then "pip install -f URLTOPAGE mxnet" will install the latest available > > version. > > > Maybe the team maintaining the S3 bucket can reconsider creating such > > page for > > > the intermediate time until the CD based nighlty build is operating. > > > > > > On Mon, 2020-01-06 at 10:01 -0800, Lin Yuan wrote: > > > > +1 for a nightly pip with fixed name. > > > > > > > > We need this to track mxnet integration with other packages such as > > Horovod. > > > > > > > > Sam, when do you think we can have this nightly build with a fixed > > name? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Lin > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 7:48 PM Skalicky, Sam > > <sska...@amazon.com.invalid> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Tao, > > > > > > > > > > We dont have this yet, but we did think about putting the latest > > wheels in > > > > > a specific place in the s3 bucket so they are always updated. > > Initially we > > > > > decided not to do this since the main MXNet CD should have been > > fixed. But > > > > > since its still not fixed yet, we might try and go ahead and do > this. > > > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 5, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Lv, Tao A <tao.a...@intel.com<mailto: > > > > > tao.a...@intel.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > How to install the latest available build of a flavor without > > specifying > > > > > the build date? Something like `pip install mxnet --pre`. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > -tao > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Skalicky, Sam <sska...@amazon.com.INVALID<mailto: > > > > > sska...@amazon.com.INVALID>> > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 2:09 AM > > > > > To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org<mailto: > > dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org> > > > > > Subject: Re: Stopping nightly releases to Pypi > > > > > > > > > > Hi Haibin, > > > > > > > > > > You typed the correct URLs, the cu100 build has been failing since > > > > > December 30th but other builds have succeeded. The wheels are being > > > > > delivered into a public bucket that anyone with an AWS account can > > access > > > > > and go poke around, here’s the URL for web access: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://s3.console.aws.amazon.com/s3/buckets/apache-mxnet/dist/2020-01-01/dist/?region=us-west-2&tab=overview > > > > > > > > > > You will have to log into your AWS account to access it however > > (which > > > > > means you’ll need an AWS account). > > > > > > > > > > It looks like only the following flavors are available for > > 2020-01-01: > > > > > mxnet > > > > > mxnet-cu92 > > > > > mxnet-cu92mkl > > > > > mxnet-mkl > > > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Haibin Lin <haibin.lin....@gmail.com > > <mailto: > > > > > haibin.lin....@gmail.com><mailto:haibin.lin....@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I was trying the nightly builds, but none of them is available: > > > > > > > > > > pip3 install > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-01/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200101-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > --user > > > > > < > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-01/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200101-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl--user > > > > > > > > > > > pip3 install > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-02/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200102-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > --user > > > > > < > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-02/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200102-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl--user > > > > > > > > > > > pip3 install > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-03/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200103-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > --user > > > > > < > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-03/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200103-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl--user > > > > > > > > > > > pip3 install > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-04/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200104-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > --user > > > > > < > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-04/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200104-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl--user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ERROR: Could not install requirement mxnet-cu100==1.6.0b20200103 > from > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-03/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200103-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > because of HTTP error 404 Client Error: Not Found for url: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-03/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200103-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > for URL > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2020-01-03/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20200103-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if I typed wrong URLs. > > > > > > > > > > 1. The discoverability of available nightly builds needs > > improvement. If > > > > > someone can help write a script to list all links that exist, that > > would be > > > > > very helpful. > > > > > 2. If any nightly build is not built successfully, how do the > > community > > > > > know the reason of the failure, and potentially offer helps? > > Currently I > > > > > don't have much visibility of the nightly build status. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > Haibin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 5:47 PM Pedro Larroy < > > pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com > > > > > <mailto:pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, the current CI is quite an overhead to maintain > for > > > > > several reasons, this complexity is overkill for CD. Jenkins also > has > > > > > constant plugin upgrades, security vulnerabilities, has to be > > restarted > > > > > from time to time as it stops working... and to make binary builds > > from an > > > > > environment which runs unsafe code, I don't think is good practice. > > So for > > > > > that, having a separate Jenkins, CodeBuild, Drone or using a > separate > > > > > Jenkins node is the right solution. Agree with you that is just a > > > > > scheduler, but somebody is making efforts to keep it running. If > you > > have > > > > > the appetite and resources to duplicate it for CD please go ahead. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:25 PM Marco de Abreu < > > marco.g.ab...@gmail.com > > > > > <mailto:marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Regarding your point of finding somebody to maintain the solution: > At > > > > > Apache we usually retire things if there's no maintainer, since > that > > > > > indicates that the feature/system is not of enough interest to > > warrant > > > > > maintenance - otherwise, someone would step up. > > > > > > > > > > While assistance in the form of a fix is always appreciated, the > fix > > still > > > > > has to conform with the way this project and Apache operates. Next > > time I'd > > > > > recommend to contribute time on improving the existing community > > solution > > > > > instead of developing an internal system. > > > > > > > > > > -Marco > > > > > > > > > > Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com<mailto: > > marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>> > > > > > schrieb am Sa., 4. Jan. 2020, > > > > > 00:21: > > > > > > > > > > Sam, while I understand that this solution was developed out of > > necessity, > > > > > my question why a new system has been developed instead of fixing > the > > > > > existing one or adapting the solution. CodeBuild is a scheduler in > > the same > > > > > fashion as Jenkins is. It runs code. So you can adapt it to Jenkins > > without > > > > > much hassle. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not volunteering for this - why should I? The role of a PMC > > member is > > > > > to steer the direction of the project. Just because a manager > points > > > > > towards a certain direction, if doesn't mean that they're going to > > do it. > > > > > > > > > > Apparently there was enough time at some point to develop a new > > solution > > > > > from scratch. It might have been a solution for your internal team > > and > > > > > that's fine, but upgrading it "temporarily" to be the advertised > way > > on the > > > > > official website is something different. > > > > > > > > > > I won't argue about how the veto can be enforced. I think it's in > > the best > > > > > interest of the project if we try working on a solution instead of > > spending > > > > > time on trying to figure out the power of the PMC. > > > > > > > > > > Pedro, that's certainly a step towards the right direction. But > > committers > > > > > would also need access to the control plane of the system - to > > trigger, > > > > > stop and audit builds. We could go down that road, but i think the > > fewer > > > > > systems, the better - also for the sake of maintainability. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Marco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro Larroy <pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com<mailto: > > > > > pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com>> schrieb am Fr., 3. Jan. > > > > > 2020, > > > > > 20:55: > > > > > > > > > > I'm not involved in such efforts, but one possibility is to have > the > > yaml > > > > > files that describe the pipelines for CD in the Apache > repositories, > > would > > > > > that be acceptable from the Apache POV? In the end they should be > > very thin > > > > > and calling the scripts that are part of the CD packages. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:56 AM Marco de Abreu < > > marco.g.ab...@gmail.com > > > > > <mailto:marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Agree, but the question how a non Amazonian is able to maintain and > > access > > > > > the system is still open. As it stands right now, the community has > > taken a > > > > > step back and loses some control if we continue down that road. > > > > > > > > > > I personally am disapproving of that approach since committers are > no > > > > > longer in control of that process. So far it seems like my > questions > > were > > > > > skipped and further actions have been taken. As openness and the > > community > > > > > having control are part of our graduation criteria, I'm putting in > > my veto > > > > > with a grace period until 15th of January. Please bring the system > > into a > > > > > state that aligns with Apache values or revert the changes. > > > > > > > > > > -Marco > > > > > > > > > > Pedro Larroy <pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com<mailto: > > > > > pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com>> schrieb am Fr., 3. Jan. > > > > > 2020, > > > > > 03:33: > > > > > > > > > > CD should be separate from CI for security reasons in any case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:04 AM Marco de Abreu < > > marco.g.ab...@gmail.com > > > > > <mailto:marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate how a non-Amazonian is able to access, maintain > > and > > > > > review the CodeBuild pipeline? How come we've diverted from the > > community > > > > > agreed-on standard where the public Jenkins serves for the purpose > of > > > > > testing and releasing MXNet? I'd be curious about the issues you're > > > > > encountering with Jenkins CI that led to a non-standard solution. > > > > > > > > > > -Marco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Skalicky, Sam <sska...@amazon.com.invalid<mailto: > > > > > sska...@amazon.com.invalid>> schrieb am Sa., 7. > > > > > Dez. > > > > > 2019, > > > > > 18:39: > > > > > > > > > > Hi MXNet Community, > > > > > > > > > > We have been working on getting nightly builds fixed and made > > available > > > > > again. We’ve made another system using AWS CodeBuild & S3 to work > > around > > > > > the problems with Jenkins CI, PyPI, etc. It is currently building > > all the > > > > > flavors and publishing to an S3 bucket here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://us-west-2.console.aws.amazon.com/s3/buckets/apache-mxnet/dist/?region=us-west-2 > > > > > > > > > > There are folders for each set of nightly builds, try out the > wheels > > > > > starting today 2019-12-07. Builds start at 1:30am PT (9:30am > > > > > GMT) > > > > > and > > > > > arrive in the bucket 30min-2hours later. Inside each folder are the > > wheels > > > > > for each flavor of MXNet. Currently we’re only building for linux, > > builds > > > > > for windows/Mac will come later. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to download the wheels easily you can use a URL in the > > form > > > > > of: > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <YYYY-MM-DD>/dist/<mxnet_build>-1.6.0b<YYYYMMDD>-py2.py3-none- > > > > > manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > Heres a set of links for today’s builds > > > > > > > > > > (Plain mxnet, no mkl no cuda) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > (mxnet-mkl > > > > > < > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl(mxnet-mkl > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl(mxnet-mkl > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > (mxnet-cuXXX > > > > > < > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl(mxnet-cuXXX > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl(mxnet-cuXXX > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu90-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu92-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > (mxnet-cuXXXmkl > > > > > < > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl(mxnet-cuXXXmkl > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl(mxnet-cuXXXmkl > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu90mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu92mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu100mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > You can easily install these pip wheels in your system either by > > > > > downloading them to your machine first and then installing by > > > > > doing: > > > > > > > > > > pip install /path/to/downloaded/wheel.whl > > > > > > > > > > Or you can install directly by just giving the link to pip like > > > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > pip install > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > Credit goes to everyone involved (in no particular order) Rakesh > > Vasudevan > > > > > Zach Kimberg Manu Seth Sheng Zha Jun Wu Pedro Larroy Chaitanya > Bapat > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 2019, at 1:16 AM, Lausen, Leonard > > <lau...@amazon.com.INVALID > > > > > <mailto:lau...@amazon.com.INVALID> <mailto: > lau...@amazon.com.INVALID > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We don't loose pip by hosting on S3. We just don't host nightly > > releases > > > > > on Pypi servers and mirror them to several hundred mirrors > > immediately > > > > > after each build is published which is very expensive for the Pypi > > project.. > > > > > People > > > > > can > > > > > still > > > > > install the nightly builds with pip by specifying the -f option. > > > > > > > > > > Uploading weekly releases to Pypi will reduce the cost for Pypi by > > ~75% > > > > > [1]. It may be acceptable to Pypi, but does it make sense for us? > > I'm not > > > > > convinced weekly release on Pypi is a good idea. Consider one > > release is > > > > > buggy, users will need to wait for 7 days for a fix. It doesn't > > provide > > > > > good user experience. > > > > > If someone has a stronger conviction about the value of weekly > > releases on > > > > > Pypi, that person shall please go ahead and propose it in a > separate > > > > > discussion thread. > > > > > > > > > > Currently we don't have generally working nightly builds to Pypi > and > > as a > > > > > matter of fact we know that we can't have them due to Pypi's policy > > and our > > > > > apparent need for large binaries. Given this fact and that no > > objection was > > > > > raised by > > > > > 2019-12-05 at 05:42 UTC, I conclude we have lazy consensus on > > stopping > > > > > upload attempts of nightly builds to Pypi. > > > > > > > > > > With consensus established, we can change the CI job to stop trying > > to > > > > > upload the nightly builds and then request Pypi to increase the > > limit. > > > > > Then > > > > > we > > > > > have one > > > > > less blocker for the 1.6 release. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > Leonard > > > > > > > > > > [1]: Lower cost due to less releases, but higher cost due to 500MB > -> > > > > > 800MB limit increase. Assuming that the limit increase translates > > into > > > > > actually larger binaries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2019-12-04 at 22:20 +0100, Marco de Abreu wrote: > > > > > Are weekly releases an option? It was brought up as concern that we > > might > > > > > lose pip as a pretty common distribution channel where people > consume > > > > > nightly builds. I don't feel like that concern has been properly > > addressed > > > > > so far. > > > > > > > > > > -Marco > > > > > > > > > > Lausen, Leonard <lau...@amazon.com.invalid<mailto: > > > > > lau...@amazon.com.invalid><mailto: > > > > > lau...@amazon.com.invalid<mailto:lau...@amazon.com.invalid>>> > > schrieb am > > > > > Mi., 4. Dez. 2019, > > > > > 04:09: > > > > > > > > > > As a simple POC to test distribution, you can try installing MXNet > > based > > > > > on these 3 URLs: > > > > > > > > > > pip install --no-cache-dir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://mxnet-dev.s3.amazonaws.com/mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > pip install --no-cache-dir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://mxnet-dev.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > pip install --no-cache-dir > > > > > https://d19zq12jzu4w95.cloudfront.net/ > > > > > mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://d19zq12jzu4w95.cloudfront.net/mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://d19zq12jzu4w95.cloudfront.net/mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where --no-cache-dir prevents caching the downloaded file, for the > > purpose > > > > > of testing. (cu101 chosen based on large size) > > > > > > > > > > The first URL uses standard S3 bucket in US. The second uses > > > > > S3 > > > > > Accelerate > > > > > based > > > > > on CloudFront CDN. And the third uses CloudFront CDN. I'm adding > the > > third > > > > > URL, as S3 Accelerate may or may not use all new CloudFront > > endpoints yet. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding voting: Uploading to Pypi is currently impossible, which > > is a > > > > > reality (so there is no option to continue as we do currently). > Pypi > > folks > > > > > indicated they will unblock our uploads to Pypi once we stop > > uploading > > > > > nightly releases and taking up 20% of their ressources [1]. > > > > > > > > > > If there are any shortcomings or problems identified with uploading > > to S3, > > > > > we can work to address them. But for now, status quo is broken and > > this > > > > > seems the only solution addressing Pypi's problem. > > > > > > > > > > I don't mind if you state that you object to lazy consensus and > > start a > > > > > vote. If your "maybe [...] start a proper vote" was supposed to be > an > > > > > objection to lazy consensus, please state so clearly (I'm not sure > if > > > > > "maybe" > > > > > qualifies > > > > > as > > > > > objection). Though I think it only makes sense with at least 2 > > options to > > > > > vote on. Status quo is not a meaningful option, as it is already > > broken. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > Leonard > > > > > > > > > > [1]: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/pypa/pypi-support/issues/50#issuecomment-560479706 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2019-12-03 at 19:28 +0100, Marco de Abreu wrote: > > > > > Excellent! Could we maybe come up with a POC and a quick writeup > and > > then > > > > > start a proper vote after everyone verified that it covers their > > use-cases? > > > > > -Marco > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Zha <zhash...@apache.org<mailto:zhash...@apache.org>> > schrieb > > am > > > > > Di., 3. Dez. 2019, > > > > > 19:24: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, there is. We can also make it easier to access by using a > > > > > geo-location based DNS server so that China users are directed to > > that > > > > > local mirror. The rest of the world is already covered by the > global > > > > > cloudfront. > > > > > > > > > > -sz > > > > > > > > > > On 2019/12/03 18:22:22, Marco de Abreu < marco.g.ab...@gmail.com > > <mailto: > > > > > marco.g.ab...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Isn't there an s3 endpoint in Beijing? > > > > > > > > > > It seems like this topic still warrants some discussion and thus > I'd > > > > > > > > > > prefer > > > > > if we don't move forward with lazy consensus. > > > > > > > > > > -Marco > > > > > > > > > > Tao Lv <mutou...@gmail.com<mailto:mutou...@gmail.com>> schrieb am > > Di., 3. > > > > > Dez. 2019, > > > > > 14:31: > > > > > > > > > > * For pypi, we can use mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:28 PM Tao Lv <mutou...@gmail.com<mailto: > > > > > mutou...@gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As we have many users in China, I'm considering the accessibility > of > > S3. > > > > > For pip, we can mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 3:24 PM Lausen, Leonard > > > > > > > > > > <lau...@amazon.com.invalid<mailto:lau...@amazon.com.invalid> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would like to remind everyone that lazy consensus is assumed if > no > > > > > objections are raised before 2019-12-05 at 05:42 UTC. There has > been > > some > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > about > > > > > the proposal, but to my understanding no objections were raised. > > > > > If the proposal is accepted, MXNet releases would be installed via > > pip > > > > > install mxnet > > > > > > > > > > And release candidates via > > > > > > > > > > pip install --pre mxnet > > > > > > > > > > (or with the respective cuda version specifier appended etc.) > > > > > > > > > > To obtain releases built automatically from the master branch, > users > > would > > > > > need to specify something like "-f > > > > > http://mxnet.s3.amazonaws.com/mxnet-X/nightly.html"; option to pip. > > > > > Best regards > > > > > Leonard > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2019-12-02 at 05:42 +0000, Lausen, Leonard wrote: > > > > > Hi MXNet Community, > > > > > > > > > > since more than 2 months our binary Python nightly releases > > > > > > > > > > published > > > > > on Pypi > > > > > are broken. The problem is that our binaries exceed Pypi's size > > limit. > > > > > Decreasing the binary size by adding compression breaks > > > > > > > > > > third-party > > > > > libraries > > > > > loading libmxnet.so > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/16193 > > > > > Sheng requested Pypi to increase their size limit: > > > > > https://github.com/pypa/pypi-support/issues/50 > > > > > > > > > > Currently "the biggest cost for PyPI from [the many MXNet binaries > > with > > > > > nightly release to Pypi] is the bandwidth consumed when several > > hundred > > > > > mirrors attempt to mirror each release immediately after it's > > published". > > > > > So Pypi is not inclined to allow us to upload even larger binaries > > on a > > > > > nightly schedule. > > > > > Their compromise is to allow it on a weekly cadence. > > > > > > > > > > However, I would like the community to revisit the necessity of > > releasing > > > > > pre- release binaries to Pypi on a nightly (or weekly) cadence. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, we > > > > > can > > > > > release nightly binaries ONLY to a public S3 bucket and instruct > > users to > > > > > install from there. On our side, we only need to prepare a html > > document > > > > > that contains links to all released nightly binaries. > > > > > Finally users will install the nightly releases via > > > > > > > > > > pip install --pre mxnet-cu101 -f > > > > > > > > > > http://mxnet.s3.amazonaws.com/mxnet-cu101/ > > > > > nightly.html > > > > > > > > > > Instead of > > > > > > > > > > pip install --pre mxnet-cu101 > > > > > > > > > > Of course proper releases and release candidates should still be > made > > > > > available via Pypi. Thus releases would be installed via > > > > > > > > > > pip install mxnet-cu101 > > > > > > > > > > And release candidates via > > > > > > > > > > pip install --pre mxnet-cu101 > > > > > > > > > > This will substantially reduce the costs of the Pypi project and in > > fact > > > > > matches the installation experience provided by PyTorch. I don't > > think the > > > > > benefit of not including "-f > > > > > > > > > > http://mxnet.s3.amazonaws.com/mxnet-cu101/nightly.html"; > > > > > matches the costs we currently externalize to the Pypi team. > > > > > > > > > > This suggestion seems uncontroversial to me. Thus I would like to > > start > > > > > lazy consensus. If there are no objections, I will assume lazy > > > > > > > > > > consensus on > > > > > stopping > > > > > nightly releases to Pypi in 72hrs. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > Leonard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
