I was responding to Bernd feeling like a "second-class citizen" - that's not true and its not a good feeling to foster.
I just want to get this issue out in the open - and sometimes you have to write ambivalently to bring people's feelings into the open. So yay :).
If PMC members are not in a position to vote lucidly on a release - then you are correct - it doesn't get the exposure or insight it deserves under MyFaces. Nobody doubts Tomahawk's place or purpose within MyFaces - and we should afford the same respect to Tobago.
Z.
On 9/13/06, Mike Kienenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 9/13/06, Zubin Wadia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Might as well throw my 2 cents in here - while more developers would help
> the cause, the root cause of the conflict lies in the fact that one
> sub-project moved in a relatively non-aligned manner to the rest. This is
> what needs to change. I don't think making Tobago a top-level ASF project
> will be the solution.
>
> We just need to assess what it would take to shape Tobago into a seamless
> composition within MyFaces. So let's have that dialogue.
>
> There are no "developer classes" - let's try to be constructive here!
I think we're all being constructive. Some of us didn't realize that
the Tobago folks were being treated differently.
I don't agree with your statement that "the root cause of the conflict
lies in the fact that [Tobago] moved in a relatively non-aligned
manner to the rest" -- that was the whole point of Tobago -- to
provide layout and theming/skinning. Currently layout management has
not (and maybe cannot) be done with any other rendering kit involved.
If, after discussion, we find that Tobago cannot be made compatible
with Tomahawk, making Tobago self-governing is probably the best
solution since we have two disparate groups working here. If Tobago
is incompatible, it's not fair to the Tobago team to be at the mercy
of the rest of us.
After all, Shale and Tomahawk are similar (probably more so than
Tobago and Tomahawk as things stand) and share many of the same
committers, but no one is suggesting that Shale *must* be a subproject
of MyFaces.
