no no. I think you are right (if i understand you correctly). By default the 
conversation lives as long as the session which means a conversation can live 
far longer than just e.g. 30 min.
I'd admit I am also one of those who would like to see a default timeout 
happening, though others wont (e.g. See shale-dialog).
I am unsure about it..

Lets fell a community decision.

Mario

-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin Marinschek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, Sep 8, 2007 1:17 am
Subject: Re: [orchestra] changed scope configuration
To: Reply-    "MyFaces Development" <dev@myfaces.apache.org>To: "MyFaces 
Development" <dev@myfaces.apache.org>

Ok, on rereading I see I did indeed take the wording wrongly. Sorry
>for the confusion.
>
>regards,
>
>Martin
>
>On 9/8/07, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Zubin,
>
>> Mario specifically mentions that a setting HAS to be made - so I was
> wondering why we want to force users to do this, if it is not
> necessary. Might as well be that I understood his mail wrongly.
>
>> regards,
>
>> Martin
>
>> On 9/8/07, Zubin Wadia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Martin,
> >
> > I think that's what is already happening. If nothing is set - the
> > conversation dies with the session.
> >
> > It used to be that it was hard-wired to last 30 mins.
> >
> > If a specific setting is made in the config, then it supercedes the default
> > which = session timeout.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Zubin
> >
> >
> > On 9/7/07, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Simon,
> > >
> > > I would suspect the default should be same as session, and that the
> > > added value of Orchestra is that a conversation will time out if the
> > > session keeps being used, but only these conversation scoped beans are
> > > not used anymore. Configuration should be available, and it is good
> > > that it is, but my POV is a nice default value would be the session
> > > timeout.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 9/8/07, simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Conversations are stored in the session (indirectly). So when the http
> > > > session times out, the conversations automatically go too. The timeout
> > > > mentioned here is just in case you want conversations to time out more
> > > > quickly than the http session.
> > > >
> > > > Until recently this shorter timeout was hard-wired to 30 minutes. It is
> > > > now configurable via the scope declaration in the spring file. And as
> > > > Mario mentions, if you don't specify a timeout there the default is now
> > > > *no* timeout (ie timeout only when session goes).
> > > >
> > > > I hope that's what you were asking about..
> > > >
> > > > Kito, you might like to look at the new documentation added to the
> > > > website recently (esp. in core). It's still a work in progress but any
> > > > feedback on what's there so far would be very welcome..
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Simon
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 23:35 +0200, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mario,
> > > > >
>

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