+1!

tell us how much this changes...

best regards,

Martin

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Marius Petoi <marius.pe...@codebeat.ro> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> These values are written by default in the processDecodes() and
> updateModel() methods. This is before the state is written. One thing that
> we could do is in the saveState method to check whether the values for the
> attributes are the default ones and remove them from the StateHelper, so
> that they don't get saved. Upon restore, we look if the values are in the
> state and if not, initialize them with the default values.
>
> Regards,
> Marius
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Martin Marinschek <mmarinsc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marius,
>>
>> > The state of a typical input text contains the following 4 attributes
>> > (both
>> > the keys and the values): valid, value, localValueSet and
>> > submittedValue.
>> > Value and submittedValue may be null, in this case only the keys are
>> > contained in the state. Valid and localValueSet are boolean properties.
>> > I
>> > measured the state of an input text to be approximately 300 B. If this
>> > is in
>> > a table, you need to multiply it by the number of rows in that table.
>>
>> why are the keys contained in the state if the thing is null? null is
>> the default value, we should probably not state save this case. Same
>> with the default values of valid and localValueSet...
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Martin Marinschek
>> > <mmarinsc...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi guys,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Unfortunately, try to save the state directly on the child components
>> >> > is
>> >> > not
>> >> > possible. The problem is the datatable is the one who know about the
>> >> > rows,
>> >> > so the right place for save this information (at least the delta
>> >> > information) is there. But the initial state could be saved on the
>> >> > children
>> >> > if some additional methods are provided. I don't know if it is worth
>> >> > to
>> >> > add
>> >> > those methods, because the only one interested to save the initial
>> >> > state
>> >> > is
>> >> > the datatable (things are different if the children could use that
>> >> > information to "reset" the current state, maybe a method called
>> >> > resetInitialState). My first solution for partial state saving used a
>> >> > protected variable to save the initial state on the children, but
>> >> > after
>> >> > look
>> >> > the latest solution I'm inclined to implement the latest one.
>> >>
>> >> Leonardo is right - I don´t see a way to do this either. Additionally,
>> >> I don´t think changing the location will buy any major reductions.
>> >>
>> >> For the state of a normal input text - what exactly does it consist
>> >> of, highlight the size of each of the parts.
>> >>
>> >> best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hi Marius, Martin
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Yes, it is a bug. The problem is related to some changes done on
>> >> >>> MYFACES-2754. I think that this changes was tested against jsp but
>> >> >>> not
>> >> >>> against facelets. I reverted the changes so you can test now.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> regards,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 2010/7/21 Martin Marinschek <mmarinsc...@apache.org>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi Marius,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> ok, Leonardo will hopefully take a look - for you to continue:
>> >> >>>> just
>> >> >>>> post the partial state values for typical pages right now (you can
>> >> >>>> also take the pages of the sample as a base if you want).
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> best regards,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Martin
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Marius Petoi
>> >> >>>> <marius.pe...@codebeat.ro>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> > Hello,
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > As I see, in JspStateManagerImpl.saveSerializedView (actually in
>> >> >>>> > the
>> >> >>>> > isWritingState() method), there is a check whether the
>> >> >>>> > JSP_IS_WRITING_STATE_ATTR is set in the FacesContext. But this
>> >> >>>> > attribute is
>> >> >>>> > set in ViewHandlerImpl.setWritingState() if there is no
>> >> >>>> > StateWriter
>> >> >>>> > defined
>> >> >>>> > (if the current view is a jsp). So, in my opinion, the
>> >> >>>> > verification
>> >> >>>> > in
>> >> >>>> > the
>> >> >>>> > JspStateManagerImpl.isWritingState() should also include the
>> >> >>>> > verification of
>> >> >>>> > the StateWriter. Otherwise, full state saving will work only for
>> >> >>>> > JSP-s.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Regards,
>> >> >>>> > Marius
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Martin Marinschek
>> >> >>>> > <mmarinsc...@apache.org>
>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Hi Marius
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> > --> Full state saving means setting the context parameter
>> >> >>>> >> > javax.faces.PARTIAL_STATE_SAVING to false. This is all,
>> >> >>>> >> > right?
>> >> >>>> >> > I've
>> >> >>>> >> > noticed
>> >> >>>> >> > that just by doing this, the xhtml pages don't work
>> >> >>>> >> > anymore...only
>> >> >>>> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> > jsp-s. There is no state saved in xhtml-s. Am I missing
>> >> >>>> >> > something?
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Oh my. That´s a bug then. Leonardo, can you look into this (not
>> >> >>>> >> that
>> >> >>>> >> I
>> >> >>>> >> desperately need full state saving, but some users might need
>> >> >>>> >> it)?
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> best regards,
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Martin
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Marius Petoi
>> >> >>>> >> >> <marius.pe...@codebeat.ro>
>> >> >>>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> > Hi Leonardo,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> > So you are working on UIData at the moment. What about
>> >> >>>> >> >> > UIRepeat?
>> >> >>>> >> >> > I
>> >> >>>> >> >> > see
>> >> >>>> >> >> > that
>> >> >>>> >> >> > partial state saving is not implemented in UIRepeat
>> >> >>>> >> >> > components.
>> >> >>>> >> >> > We
>> >> >>>> >> >> > could
>> >> >>>> >> >> > improve the _childState table (which is included in the
>> >> >>>> >> >> > saved
>> >> >>>> >> >> > state)
>> >> >>>> >> >> > to
>> >> >>>> >> >> > save
>> >> >>>> >> >> > only the states which are different from an initial state
>> >> >>>> >> >> > (like
>> >> >>>> >> >> > in
>> >> >>>> >> >> > UIData
>> >> >>>> >> >> > components).
>> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> > Marius
>> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Leonardo Uribe
>> >> >>>> >> >> > <lu4...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> Hi Marius
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> Right now I'm working on "MYFACES-2616 Fix UIData state
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> saving
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> model
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> (spec
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> issue 153)". I hope to attach some new patches, a example
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> and a
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> better
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> documentation in that issue soon, so we can review it and
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> make
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> comments.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> regards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> Leonardo Uribe
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >> 2010/7/19 Marius Petoi <marius.pe...@codebeat.ro>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> Hi Martin,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> Regarding state saving in tables, here are my
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> observations
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> comments:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> - there is no state saved in relation to the UIData
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> objects.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> - the states saved for the children of the UIData
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> objects
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> (the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> components
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> in the tables) are irrelevant. They are not used
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> afterwards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> as the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> components are initialized at each request with default
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> values
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> state
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> saved corresponds to the last modifications of the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> component
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> (to
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> row
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> which was last set via the setRowIndex() method).
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> - every time the setRowIndex() method is invoked with
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> -1
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> parameter,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> _initialDescendantComponentState is initialized. This
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> will
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> no
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> longer
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> be
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> necessary, as the initial state will be restored from
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> previously
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> saved
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> state.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> - the _rowStates array of states is constructed using
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> "partial"
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> state.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> This means that only states for the rows which are
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> different
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> from
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> template are saved in this array. In my opinion, this is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> what
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> needs
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> be
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> saved for the UIData. The children component of the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> UIData
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> should
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> have
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> no
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> state saved (at least not in the first phase - we could
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> think
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> that
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> if
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> something appears in all the rows of _rowStates for a
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> componentt,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> then
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> we
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> could move this down to the component state).
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> These are just some basic observations about state
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> saving
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> in
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> tables.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> What
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> do you think?
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> Marius
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Martin Marinschek
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>> <mmarinsc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Ok, so you actually checked it - perfect!
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Next step: is there any component where this is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> different?
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> UIInput
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ok - all the other standard components are ok as well?
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> When we have finished this, take a look at what
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Leonardo
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> has
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> done
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> for
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> partial state saving in data-tables. We will need to
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> work
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> out
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> a
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> proposal for an API in JSF 2.1 - and, I guess,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> alsongside
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> our
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> implementation, also an implementation for Mojarra,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> cause
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> RI
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> team
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> will not be able to get this done.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> best regards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Martin
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On 7/14/10, Marius Petoi <marius.pe...@codebeat.ro>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > I placed a breakpoint in
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > DefaultFaceletsManagementStrategy.saveStateOnMap,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > in the point where saveState is called for each
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > component.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > That
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > point
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > where the state to be saved is retrieved. That is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > where
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > I
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > got
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > information on the first place. I looked at each
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > component
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > and
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > at
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > returned value of saveState.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Martin Marinschek
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > <mmarinsc...@apache.org>wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Marius,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> "as I see" means you see it, or you think it is like
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> this
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> ;) ?
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> best regards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Martin
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> On 7/14/10, Marius Petoi <marius.pe...@codebeat.ro>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > Hi Martin,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > I think you mean for the attributes that I say are
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > added
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > before
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > call
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> to
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > markInitialState(). So, as I see, the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > org.apache.myfaces.view.facelets.MARK_ID, locale,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > uniqueIdCounter,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > renderKitId, rendererType are not present in the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > partial
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > state
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > at
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > end
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> of
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > the lifecycle, although they are in the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > StateHelper.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > The
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > reason
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > for
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > this
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > that they are added there before the call to
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > markInitialState().
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > So,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > they
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > will never be in the partial state.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > Marius
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Martin Marinschek
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > <mmarinsc...@apache.org>wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Hi Marius,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> you are sounding a bit unsure about this - did
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> you
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> really
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> check
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> what
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> is in the partial state at the end of the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> lifecycle?
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> best regards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Martin
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On 7/14/10, Marius Petoi
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> <marius.pe...@codebeat.ro>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Hello,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > After the improvements we discussed in previous
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > threads,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > here
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > what
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > state looks like for some of the components:
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > - the org.apache.myfaces.view.facelets.MARK_ID
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > (ComponentSupport.MARK_CREATED) attribute is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > present
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > in
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > almost
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > all
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > components, but that is put in the attributes
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > map
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > before
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > initial
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> state
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > is marked, so I think it does not affect
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > partial
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > state
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > saving
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > - same goes for locale, uniqueIdCounter,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > renderKitId,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > rendererType,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > which
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > are also attributes in the StateHelper, but are
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > added
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > before
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > call
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> to
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > markInitialState(). So they also shouldn't be
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > included in
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > partial
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> state.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > - for UIInput, the partial state contains the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > value,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > localValueSet,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > submittedValue and valid properties. This is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > the
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > partial
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > state
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > which
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> is
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > stored after one submit.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Do you have other suggestions about what else
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > could
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > be
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > improved
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > in
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> partial
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > state saving?
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Marius
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> --
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