Jesus,
Le 7 nov. 08 à 04:58, Jesús Corrius a écrit :


Hi I want to enterprise the valencian version of OpenOffice.org
localization effort. The idea is that they will work at the begining
under the "es" version of the project but later they want to get their
own project under "va".

First of all, I want to say that I am very pleased to have a version
of Ooo translated into Valencian, I have some friends who work or have
worked in that project, and I am sure it's possible to do some great
work together.

Catalan and Valencian are almost universally recognized as two
dialects of the same language by the international linguistic
community.  That's why, for example, Valencian doesn't have an ISO
code by itself. Another good source of information for the languages
of the world, the well known ethnologue website, uses the form
"Catalan-Valencian-Balear" to refer to it, probably to avoid any
conflict with the name of the language:
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=cat
In any case, the most used term to refer to the language it is just "Catalan".

It's also well known that some people from Valencia, but not all the
Valencians, feel that they language is different from the Catalan
spoken in Catalonia and want Valencian to be recognized as a different
language from Catalan. All this has become a political issue, with
some political parties supporting the different alternatives. And when
you put politics into your software, take for granted that some people
will stop using it for political reasons.

When you decide to create a Valencian Native Language Project,
different from the Catalan Native Language Project, you are
positioning OpenOffice.org in one of the political sides, recognizing
the facto one of the two options. If some Valencians want that, they
shouldn't use the Openoffice.org Community. The OpenOffice.org
Community doesn't have the knowledge or the skills to decide on that
affair. If Valencian is a different language,  they have to ask the
ISO organization and other international associations to approve that.
For now, the international standards organizations recognize Valencian
as the same language as Catalan and the OpenOffice.org community
should follow those recommendations because, unfortunately, there's a
political conflict in the middle of  that.

What I really don't understand is to try to integrate them inside the
Spanish community instead of the Catalan one. I have no problem into
changing the name of the community, if necessary, or even accept a
co-leader from the Lliurex project. What I am sure that I don't want
to happen is to have users and organizations in Catalonia dropping
OpenOffice.org because other projects from the community decide on
things that clearly affect other NLC projects without even consulting
them.

I think this particular case reflects the need of the creation of
regional communities, as Louis proposed in this same OpenOffice.org
Conference. Regional communities that are geographically very close to
user and can fully understand the consequences of the decisions they
take.

Regards from China,

Let's continue on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think you're speaking wise words, Jesus. But I also wish to make some things clear and hopefully soothe your fears: -there is no question and no demand of a Valencian NL project. It's never been asked I believe, and even if it were I would oppose it on the simple fact that this is not an internationally recognized language. -We're talking about the CA_VA build where Valencian ends up being a locale; for community support, I recommend to use the CA project's mailing list as this *one and the same language*. The ES project assistance is circumstantial, as Alexandro got to talk with the team developing the build in question. I am sure a link towards the CA project and the CA_VA build from the ES project wouldn't hurt, though. But it is out of question to have a so-called valencian community and mailing lists out there inside the ES project, or in a new NL project. The website and support will come from http://ca.openoffice.org. The rest is an ideological clusterfuck that OOo should not dwelve into. - On a practical level, having a regional group formed of the various Iberian constituencies and fueled by the CA, ES, EU and GL projects could generate a lot of opportunities.
(but again, let's switch to [EMAIL PROTECTED])

Best,
Charles-H. Schulz.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Reply via email to