Hi,

Not sure to fully understand the topic, but if Jaroslav suggests to add a
target to compile and then deploy all NB modules in a local or remote Maven
repository, I am 200% in favor for that. Especially for the DEV version

On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 10:00 AM Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> Not sure to have the full scope.
>
>
>
> there is an outdated target “patch-for-maven” at the bottom of
> nbbuild/templates/projectized we can maybe take inspiration
>
> nb-repository is the plugin used for doing that work.
>
>
>
> In the current maven population for repository I have to use the download
> index feature to permit to use the “true” maven dependencies.
>
> Naïve interpretation: Otherwise it populate org.netbeans.external with
> clone of existing dependencies on central. Maybe incomplete.
>
>
>
> I guess this use is only because nb-plugin use finished artefact and is
> not knowing the build
>
>
>
> If we show from outside:
>
>   We should cache a index of maven central (it takes time to get it 12min
> on apache build).
>
> If we are knowing the build
>
>   We may use central coordinate from externals.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> De : Jaroslav Tulach <jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com>
> Envoyé : mercredi 4 septembre 2019 09:26
> À : dev <dev@netbeans.apache.org>; Jan Lahoda <lah...@gmail.com>; Eric
> Barboni <sk...@apache.org>
> Objet : Allowing top down approach was: Maven experiment
>
>
>
> Hi.
>
> Jan just explained me what is going on and contrary to his suggestion in
> the quoted email we ended up with an idea to start converting the top-most
> clusters first. Maybe `enterprise`, etc. To make that possible I suggest
> small improvement to `nbbuild/templates/common.xml`: Let's add there a
> target `maven-install` - with it one could switch into any existing
> NetBeans project directory and just invoke:
>
> ```
>
> $ cd platform/openide.util.lookup
>
> platform/openide.util.lookup$ ant maven-install
>
> ```
>
> The module would build normally. However, in addition to that, Eric's NBM
> Maven plugin would be used to install the necessary artifacts into the
> local Maven repository `.m2/repository`. Of course, there would also be a
> way to build and install whole NetBeans:
>
> ```
>
> nbbuild$ ant maven-install
>
> ```
>
>
>
> Once we have it, anyone can start experimenting with changing build of for
> example `enterprise` cluster to Maven - as all the necessary artifacts
> would already be installed in the local Maven repository.
>
>
>
> Eric, do you think having `ant maven-install` is possible? I believe it
> would be a great enabler of the other steps.
>
> -jt
>
>
>
> út 3. 9. 2019 v 8:10 odesílatel Jan Lahoda <lah...@gmail.com <mailto:
> lah...@gmail.com> > napsal:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> I'd recommend to start with platform/openide.util.lookup - the code for it
> does not have any dependencies, the group of its test dependencies is
> fairly small and self-contained, and the resulting jar is useful by itself.
> It also shows what Lazslo mentioned - a semi-circular dependency in test
> dependencies. The test dependencies for openide.util.lookup are:
> platform/libs.junit4 and harness/nbjunit. platform/libs.junit4 is a plain
> wrapped for junit4, that shouldn't be a problem. harness/nbjunit has module
> dependencies: harness/o.n.insane, platform/junit4 and
> platform/openide.util.lookup and test dependencies: platform/libs.junit4
> (which is unnecessary to mention), platform/openide.util.ui,
> platform/openide.util and platform/openide.util.lookup. And I believe all
> these modules only have dependencies from this list, so this should be
> self-contained.
>
> Not sure what would be the next step once the openide.util.lookup would
> work - possibly have a working platform (i.e. everything under the platform
> directory, so that it would actually start), but the issue there is that
> the NetBeans modulesystem needs a specific filesystem structure to start.
> Here:
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-mavenutils-nbm-maven-plugin
>
> are tasks like:
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-mavenutils-nbm-maven-plugin/blob/master/src/main/java/org/apache/netbeans/nbm/CreateClusterAppMojo.java
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-mavenutils-nbm-maven-plugin/blob/master/src/main/java/org/apache/netbeans/nbm/CreateClusterMojo.java
>
> may be interesting there, although those are not meant to work on the base
> platform cluster, I believe, so I'd expect some tweaking there.
>
>
> A completely different approach might be to try to peel off some "leaf"
> clusters of modules (those that noone else is depending on them) using the
> existing tools above (i.e. depending on existing modules built by Ant, and
> "exported" to Maven - there are tools for that already). This might mean
> e.g. the apisupport of javafx clusters (directories in the repository). The
> main complication there might be that in the main NetBeans code base, tests
> directories may have dependencies on other test directories. So, e.g.,
> tests of apisupport/apisupport.project.ant depend on tests of
> platform/openide.util.lookup (and other). So solving this might be tricky,
> esp. if openide.util.lookup would not be converted to Maven yet.
>
>
> I am eager to hear what you think/what are your experiences!
>
> Thanks,
>     Jan
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 11:24 PM Robert Scholte <rfscho...@apache.org
> <mailto:rfscho...@apache.org> > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > this month I'll be giving a training about Maven. The last part of the
> > session I want to use to transform existing projects to Maven.
> > Since Netbeans is still using Ant, it might be an interesting experiment
> > to see if this project can ALSO be built with Maven.
> > To increase the chance of success, I'd like to have an ordered list of
> > the
> > Netbeans "deliverables", starting with the least amount of internal
> > dependencies.
> > Can anybody provide me such a starting list?
> >
> > regards,
> > Robert Scholte
> >
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