Hello Geertjan, I realize that it would be in the interests of transparency if I were able to fully discuss my concerns, particularly my legal concerns, with signing the ASF ICLA in an individual capacity. However, I am not a lawyer, and I feel that it would be legally precarious for me to discuss in any way the legal interpretation of the ICLA's terms and implications thereof. Furthermore, respectfully, I cannot have a discussion with you regarding my legal concerns because, as far as I know, you are not a licensed attorney, or if so, you are not offering to serve in a representative capacity.
What I will say is that one of my personal rules is to avoid signing legal agreements of any kind which are not necessary for me to sign. Pull Requests of mine have already been merged into Apache NetBeans' repository. In addition, I have contributed to other Apache projects (e.g. Subversion and Commons) without needing to sign the ASF ICLA. I see no reason to sign it now, especially when I have quoted one of the original Apache Software Foundation board members who has specifically written that it is not necessary for an individual contributor to sign the ICLA, even if the contribution is massive. If this is no longer the case, I would like to see the official policy change document from the ASF, as this might mean that unfortunately, I would need to stop contributing patches to Apache NetBeans. I have written on PR #253 <https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/253> that I would rather stick with the application of Section 5 "Submission of Contributions" of the Apache License, Version 2.0 for my contributions, licensing my contributions to NetBeans according to the terms of the Apache License, Version 2.0. Daniel On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Just for clarity and my own understanding -- can you explain your > objection to signing the ICLA? > > Thanks, > > Gj > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Daniel Trebbien <dtrebb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > "For important modifications you will need to submit an Individual > > Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) > > <https://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.pdf> ." is incorrect. > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-infrastructure- > dev/201112.mbox/%3ca603ffce-623b-43e9-87f8-39baa51c7...@gbiv.com%3E > > > > "Yes, that opinion comes from me speaking as a board member and > > author of the Apache License, and has previously been cleared > > with Apache's legal team for a long ago discussion with Incubator. > > *We don't need a CLA on file to accept contributions from > non-committers.* > > > > *We just need a clear intent by the author to contribute underour normal > > terms.* > > > > ... > > > > Again, there is no such requirement for commits/pushes at Apache. > > The person responsible for moving the bits into our repository > > is responsible for verifying that they have the right to do so > > before the push is made. > > > > > > > > *The authors do not need to have a CLAon file even if the contribution is > > massive -- CLAs are onlyrequired for the people who want an account at > > Apache and thusare allowed to make the decision to push those bits into > > ourrepository.*" > > > > (Emphasis added.) > > > > I think that it would be a good idea to specifically mention Section 5 > > "Submission of Contributions" of the Apache License, however. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 5:29 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org > >> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Antonio <anto...@vieiro.net> wrote: > >> > ...I started some PR coding best practices at [1]. .. > >> > >> IMO "You will need an ICLA.." belongs to the contribution guidelines, > >> and that should link to https://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.pdf > >> > >> -Bertrand > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >> > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
