On 12/19/18 7:54 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
Yes, basically, this is exactly what I meant, but you said it much better
and with fewer and better words. :-)
Gj
On Wednesday, December 19, 2018, Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 15:13 Laszlo Kishalmi <laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com
wrote:
The only time when a PPMC member’s vote is binding is for the addition
of new PPMC members and committers. Release votes are only binding to
IPMC members.
Yes, that's true. But since the first votes we've had we've used (binding)
and (non-binding) to indicate votes from PPMC members and not. Non-PPMC
members can also vote. As far as I understand it's also about acting like
we're ready to graduate.
There's the key word :) Ideally, it would go like this:
1 - Podling votes to *motion the IPMC to release* (PPMC binding, all
other non-binding), this is what we would consider a vote in a top level
project, and would require 3x+1 from PPMC and more +1s than -1s (vetoes
are not allowed)
2 - Actual release vote held on general@incubator (IPMC binding, all
other non-binding), this is the Incubator singing off on the actions of
the podling, and required 3x+1 from the IPMC and more +1s than -1s.
Once graduated, step 2 is merely removed, as oversight is no longer
deemed necessary.
The tricky part is where IPMC votes on (1) carries over to (2), and PPMC
votes (those that are not on the IPMC) does not. This is just a bit of
slightly tricky housekeeping/math till you get the hang of it, to get
the legalities in order.
We should consider PPMC votes binding for the *motion to release*, and
IPMC votes binding for the *vote to release*. The PPMC has to motion
(with 3x+1) the Incubator to release, so it's not as if the PPMC doesn't
have binding votes...it's just not for the release, but for the *motion
to release*...if that makes sense :)
We obviously still need IPMC votes to actually release once the PPMC vote
passes (or not).
Best wishes,
Neil
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