Is it likely now (due to the refactor) that we will simply be able to
upgrade the driver when Cassandra 5 is GA? Also does anyone use Netflix's
Astyanax [1]?

[1]
https://cassandra.apache.org/doc/stable/cassandra/getting_started/drivers.html#java

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 3:10 PM Mike Thomsen <[email protected]> wrote:

> Realistically, I think we are only likely to see two drivers:
>
> * DataStax
> * ScyllaDB
>
> The latter makes a selling point of being a binary compatible, drop-in
> replacement for the former.
>
> That's why I don't see a need to have an abstraction layer per se. I think
> we only need "DataStaxConnectionProviderImpl" and
> "ScyllaDBConnectionProviderImpl" with the difference being which jar is
> imported by maven.
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 2:59 PM David Handermann <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply and clarification.
> >
> > I agree there is no need to maintain support for the DataStax 3 driver
> > and Java API, any new components should be built on the latest version
> > of the driver.
> >
> > What we do need going forward is to avoid, if at all possible, having
> > a DataStax 4 dependency in the Controller Service API.
> >
> > One example of this is the WebClientServiceProvider interface. That
> > Controller Service API does not have any third-party dependencies. The
> > Controller Service implementation, StandardWebClientServiceProvider,
> > has a dependency on OkHttp to implement HTTP communication. That is
> > the kind of abstraction that would be ideal, and I believe that also
> > aligns with what Matt has described.
> >
> > Regards,
> > David Handermann
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 1:45 PM Mike Thomsen <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ** we can dump v3 **DRIVER** compatibility, since later 4.X Java
> drivers
> > > are backward compatible with Cassandra 3
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 2:43 PM Mike Thomsen <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > Before we proceed, I think we should make sure we're all
> understanding
> > the
> > > > same problem here. Starting with this:
> > > >
> > > > > I believe the CQL protocol is backwards compatible but the Java API
> > is
> > > > not.
> > > > > For example "com.datastax.driver.core.Session" is now
> > > > > "com.datastax.oss.driver.api.core.session.Session" and there is no
> > more
> > > > > "Cluster" class. Might be fairly trivial to fix though, if that's
> the
> > > > path
> > > > > of least resistance.
> > > >
> > > > From what I've learned using Cassandra 3 and 4 in my day job and
> > reading
> > > > up on this stuff for the sake of discussion, that all tracks. We used
> > the
> > > > ~4.11 driver in Spring Boot on both v3 and v4 clusters without issue
> > during
> > > > an upgrade. So I don't see any reason to factor in the "changes from
> > > > DataStax 3 to 4" since the changes were likely a one-off decision
> > meant to
> > > > position the driver for better future support and stability.
> > > >
> > > > TL;DR, we can dump v3 compatibility and the only thing our users will
> > > > notice is if we make the controller service totally incompatible with
> > the
> > > > one they're already using which is something we can actively avoid.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 2:00 PM David Handermann <
> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> All,
> > > >>
> > > >> I support a Controller Service API abstraction around the Cassandra
> > > >> Driver. The changes from DataStax 3 to 4 already highlight the need
> > > >> for that abstraction. The donation of the DataStax Java driver to
> > > >> Apache [1] also shows the value of providing some level of
> isolation,
> > > >> if at all possible.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have not taken a close look at the Matt's branch, and the details
> of
> > > >> the abstraction are important, but having the abstraction can be
> > > >> useful to avoid getting back to this same situation.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> David Handermann
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] https://github.com/apache/cassandra-java-driver/
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 12:37 PM Mike Thomsen <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I got that. My point was that the Java changes appear to be a one
> > time
> > > >> > thing that DataStax did to make a better driver with a much more
> > > >> > future-proof API. Since Scylla tracks them as closely as
> possible, I
> > > >> > suspect that we don't need to plan for a bunch of abstraction to
> > isolate
> > > >> > Java changes.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 11:07 AM Steven Matison <
> > > >> [email protected]>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > That was kinda where i got stuck and fell out on my branch/jira.
> > > >> Mike and
> > > >> > > I wanted to make a new controller service , without backward
> > > >> compatibility;
> > > >> > > and remove the duplicate driver/connection properties found in
> > some
> > > >> of the
> > > >> > > processors.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I agree taking out all old stuff and making new controller
> service
> > > >> makes
> > > >> > > most sense.  4.x and 5.x should be mostly backwards compatible
> to
> > > >> 2&3.x
> > > >> > > with how it’s used within current processors.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 10:49 AM Matt Burgess <
> > [email protected]>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > The abstraction is to isolate Java API changes, not protocol
> > > >> > > compatibility
> > > >> > > > Changing to the java-driver comes with a number of changes to
> > the
> > > >> code
> > > >> > > (see
> > > >> > > > Steven's and my branches), if we can abstract that API it
> should
> > > >> lead to
> > > >> > > > more maintainable code in the future by not having to change
> any
> > > >> > > > processors, just the controller service implementation.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 10:14 AM Mike Thomsen <
> > > >> [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> >
> https://opensource.docs.scylladb.com/stable/using-scylla/drivers/cql-drivers/scylla-java-driver.html
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Directly quoting Scylla docs here:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > The Scylla Java Driver is a drop-in replacement for the
> > > >> DataStax Java
> > > >> > > > > Driver. As such, no code changes are needed to use this
> > driver.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 10:13 AM Mike Thomsen <
> > > >> [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Matt,
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > I don't think we need to really "abstract above" the
> drivers
> > > >> because
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > Java DataStax driver appears to support 4.X all the way
> > back to
> > > >> 2.X,
> > > >> > > as
> > > >> > > > > > well as the enterprise versions from DataStax
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> https://docs.datastax.com/en/driver-matrix/docs/java-drivers.html
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Similar situation with Scylla. When I looked at the
> driver,
> > it
> > > >> > > appeared
> > > >> > > > > to
> > > >> > > > > > copy verbatim the entire public API of that driver. So I
> > think
> > > >> before
> > > >> > > > we
> > > >> > > > > > dive into abstractions, it's worth doing a bit more
> > validation
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > these
> > > >> > > > > > details. IMHO, this might be a much lighter lift than
> > > >> anticipated.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 4:30 PM Matt Burgess <
> > > >> [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> Totally agree, that's what my branch does (see link in
> > previous
> > > >> > > > email).
> > > >> > > > > >> The
> > > >> > > > > >> more I work with it, the more I think I can abstract it
> > > >> further from
> > > >> > > > > their
> > > >> > > > > >> JDBC-like API but I started with a bunch of delegate
> > classes
> > > >> then I
> > > >> > > > > figure
> > > >> > > > > >> I'll see where I can consolidate to more abstract
> > concepts. If
> > > >> I
> > > >> > > don't
> > > >> > > > > >> have
> > > >> > > > > >> to support Cassandra 3 with the new API, so much the
> > better.
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> Regards,
> > > >> > > > > >> Matt
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 4:14 PM David Handermann <
> > > >> > > > > >> [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > Matt et al,
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > It is good to see the background effort on moving
> > Cassandra
> > > >> > > > > >> > capabilities in a supportable direction.
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > I think new Cassandra components will require a
> > significant
> > > >> > > > departure
> > > >> > > > > >> > from current Controller Service abstractions. Right
> now,
> > the
> > > >> > > > existing
> > > >> > > > > >> > service interface does not provide a clean abstraction
> > from
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > > > >> > Cassandra library, which is part of the reason for the
> > > >> current
> > > >> > > > > >> > coupling to the legacy driver version.
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Following up from Joe's comments, it seems like the
> > cleanest
> > > >> way
> > > >> > > > > >> > forward is to deprecate the current bundle on the 1.x
> > > >> branch, and
> > > >> > > > > >> > remove the current bundle from the main branch. That
> will
> > > >> provide
> > > >> > > a
> > > >> > > > > >> > clean slate for new Service and Processor
> > implementations,
> > > >> without
> > > >> > > > > >> > concern for uncertain compatibility questions.
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > > > > >> > David Handermann
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 2:35 PM Matt Burgess <
> > > >> > > [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > What do y'all think about removing the individual
> > > >> connection
> > > >> > > > > >> properties
> > > >> > > > > >> > > from the Cassandra processors for NiFi 2.0 and
> > requiring a
> > > >> > > > > >> > > CassandraSessionProvider instead? I think we started
> > doing
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > > > >> elsewhere
> > > >> > > > > >> > > (Elasticsearch maybe?), I noticed duplicate code in
> the
> > > >> > > > > >> > > CassandraSessionProvider and
> > AbstractCassandraProcessor,
> > > >> if we
> > > >> > > > keep
> > > >> > > > > >> those
> > > >> > > > > >> > > properties I can refactor them into a utility class.
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks,
> > > >> > > > > >> > > Matt
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:44 PM Steven Matison <
> > > >> > > > > >> [email protected]
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > I got through quite a bit of work to enable 4.x…
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > The 3.x pieces that were not backwards compatible
> is
> > > >> very edge
> > > >> > > > use
> > > >> > > > > >> > case and
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > could have been done slightly differently but with
> > work
> > > >> > > around.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > https://github.com/steven-matison/nifi/tree/nifi-10120-1
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:30 PM Matt Burgess <
> > > >> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Oops used the wrong email address so if there
> have
> > been
> > > >> > > > > responses
> > > >> > > > > >> to
> > > >> > > > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Cassandra thread since mine I missed them, my
> bad!
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:00 PM Matt Burgess <
> > > >> > > > > [email protected]
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I believe the CQL protocol is backwards
> > compatible
> > > >> but the
> > > >> > > > > Java
> > > >> > > > > >> > API is
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > not. For example
> > "com.datastax.driver.core.Session"
> > > >> is now
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > "com.datastax.oss.driver.api.core.session.Session"
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > there
> > > >> > > > > is
> > > >> > > > > >> no
> > > >> > > > > >> > more
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > "Cluster" class. Might be fairly trivial to fix
> > > >> though, if
> > > >> > > > > >> that's
> > > >> > > > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > path
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > of least resistance.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:40 PM Joe Witt <
> > > >> > > > [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Matt
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I dont know a ton about Cassandra but when I
> > looked
> > > >> at
> > > >> > > > > >> > client/driver
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > notes
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> for 4+ it said it was compatible all the way
> > back
> > > >> to 3.x.
> > > >> > > > >  Not
> > > >> > > > > >> > sure
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > what
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> that means but it surely seems worth
> exploring.
> > > >> Also I
> > > >> > > > dont
> > > >> > > > > >> know
> > > >> > > > > >> > if
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> 4.x drivers get rid of the vulnerable bits.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 10:39 AM Matt Burgess
> <
> > > >> > > > > >> > [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > At the very least we should upgrade to
> > Cassandra
> > > >> > > 3.11.6:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >>
> > https://github.com/apache/cassandra/blob/cassandra-3.11.16/CHANGES.txt
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:31 PM Matt
> Burgess <
> > > >> > > > > >> > [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > If the community agrees to get rid of
> > Cassandra
> > > >> 3
> > > >> > > > that'll
> > > >> > > > > >> > save me
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> effort
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > on the refactor after I add Cassandra 4 :)
> > > >> Otherwise
> > > >> > > > > those
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > vulnerabilities would only be in a "new"
> > > >> Cassandra 3
> > > >> > > > > >> services
> > > >> > > > > >> > NAR
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > that
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > would not be included in the convenience
> > binary.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:28 PM Joe Witt <
> > > >> > > > > >> [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Mike, Matt,
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Happy to hear you both have active
> efforts
> > or
> > > >> are
> > > >> > > > > >> interested
> > > >> > > > > >> > in
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > doing
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > so.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Can you help me understand more
> > specifically
> > > >> what
> > > >> > > that
> > > >> > > > > >> means
> > > >> > > > > >> > for
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> current set of components?
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> The CVE hits are concerning and long
> > standing.
> > > >> > > > > Supporting
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Cassandra
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> 3
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> implies the current set of dependencies
> > would
> > > >> remain
> > > >> > > > too
> > > >> > > > > >> > right?
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Is the current set of components we have
> > ones
> > > >> we
> > > >> > > want
> > > >> > > > to
> > > >> > > > > >> > retain?
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > We
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> certainly need Cassandra components - but
> > are
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > ones
> > > >> > > > > we
> > > >> > > > > >> > have
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > now
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> the
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> right ones?
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Thanks
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> Joe
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 10:25 AM Matt
> > Burgess <
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > I'm actively working this, I pushed my
> > > >> branch up
> > > >> > > in
> > > >> > > > > case
> > > >> > > > > >> > anyone
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> wants
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > to
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > take a look [1]. The idea is to
> abstract
> > the
> > > >> > > > Cassandra
> > > >> > > > > >> API
> > > >> > > > > >> > "up
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > a
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > couple
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > levels" and provide implementations for
> > > >> Cassandra
> > > >> > > 3,
> > > >> > > > > 4,
> > > >> > > > > >> and
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> eventually
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> 5.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > For JDBC-like interfaces this is a PITA
> > > >> because of
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > > > > >> API
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> (Statement,
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > PreparedStatement, BoundStatement,
> > ResultSet,
> > > >> > > etc.)
> > > >> > > > > but
> > > >> > > > > >> I'm
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > hoping
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> we
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> can
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > find a common pattern for abstracting
> the
> > > >> > > > third-party
> > > >> > > > > >> > library
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > implementation and API from the NiFi
> > > >> component
> > > >> > > > > >> (Processor,
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > ControllerService, etc.) API. I think
> > we're
> > > >> doing
> > > >> > > > > >> something
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > similar
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > for
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > Kafka?
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > Matt
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > [1]
> > > >> https://github.com/mattyb149/nifi/tree/cassy4
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 8:43 AM Mike
> > Thomsen
> > > >> <
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > That’s been on my todo list for a
> > little
> > > >> while
> > > >> > > but
> > > >> > > > > >> things
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > kept
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > coming
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> up.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > I think I could get started on that
> > now.
> > > >> Based
> > > >> > > on
> > > >> > > > my
> > > >> > > > > >> > initial
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > research
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> it
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > appears that scylla uses the exact
> same
> > > >> api as
> > > >> > > > > >> datastax
> > > >> > > > > >> > so
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > supporting
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > both
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > in a cql bundle should theoretically
> be
> > > >> fairly
> > > >> > > > easy.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > On Mar 14, 2024, at 6:18 PM, Joe
> > Witt <
> > > >> > > > > >> > [email protected]>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Team,
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Cassandra remains a really
> important
> > > >> system to
> > > >> > > > be
> > > >> > > > > >> able
> > > >> > > > > >> > to
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > send
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > data
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> to.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > However, it seems like we've not
> > > >> maintained
> > > >> > > > these
> > > >> > > > > >> > well.  We
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> have
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> what
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > appears to be at least a full
> > generation
> > > >> > > behind
> > > >> > > > on
> > > >> > > > > >> > client
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> versions
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> (we
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > are
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > on 3x vs 4x which is the latest
> > stable
> > > >> with 5x
> > > >> > > > > >> > apparently
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> coming
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > shortly).
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > We have components to send data,
> > query
> > > >> data,
> > > >> > > and
> > > >> > > > > use
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Cassandra
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> as
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > a
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > cache
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > store.  We have older mechanisms
> for
> > > >> json/avro
> > > >> > > > and
> > > >> > > > > >> > publish
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> mechanisms
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > for
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > records.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > The libraries we do have depend on
> > > >> outdated
> > > >> > > > > >> versions of
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > Guava
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> and
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > result
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > in
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > many CVE hits.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > I am inclined to think we should
> > > >> deprecate the
> > > >> > > > 1.x
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > components
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> and
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > remove
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > them as-is from the 2.x line.  Then
> > > >> > > re-introduce
> > > >> > > > > >> them
> > > >> > > > > >> > with
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> record
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> only
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > interfaces and built against the
> > latest
> > > >> stable
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Cassandra/Datastax/ScyllaDB
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > interfaces.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > I'd love to hear thoughts from
> those
> > > >> closer to
> > > >> > > > > this
> > > >> > > > > >> > space
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > both
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> as
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > a
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > user
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > and developer so we can make good
> > next
> > > >> steps.
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Thanks
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
>

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