+1 to deploying NARs to Maven. If it becomes a problem in the future,
we could revisit but keeping the maven configuration as simple as
possible is a huge plus.

-Joey

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Joe Witt <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree we need to be mindful of this.  That said I am not actually sure
> there is a problem.
>
> To provide some specific data to consider here are the Nars and their sizes
> today (smallest to largest):
>
> 29K
> ./standard-services/standard-services-api-nar/target/standard-services-api-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 158K
> ./volatile-provenance-repository-bundle/nar/target/volatile-provenance-repository-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 537K
> ./standard-services/ssl-context-bundle/nar/target/ssl-context-service-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 628K
> ./standard-services/distributed-cache-services-bundle/distributed-cache-services-nar/target/distributed-cache-services-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 1.1M ./hadoop-bundle/nar/target/hadoop-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 4.3M
> ./monitor-threshold-bundle/nar/target/monitor-threshold-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 4.4M
> ./update-attribute-bundle/nar/target/update-attribute-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 4.5M ./jetty-bundle/target/nifi-jetty-bundle-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 4.6M
> ./persistent-provenance-repository-bundle/nar/target/persistent-provenance-repository-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 12M ./kafka-bundle/kafka-nar/target/kafka-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 12M ./standard-bundle/nar/target/nifi-standard-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 26M
> ./hadoop-libraries-bundle/nar/target/hadoop-libraries-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
> 28M ./framework-bundle/nar/target/nifi-framework-nar-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.nar
>
> Having the nars in a proper central repository would definitely make easier
> for people to build their own assemblies of NiFi.  We definitely want all
> the Jar artifacts there.
>
> I am not convinced the added complexity (of modifying the build to
> distinguish) is necessary.
>
> A quick look through Maven central for things like Wars (which is a very
> analogous concept to Nars) suggests what we'd be doing is not at all
> uncommon and the sizes are reasonable as well.
>
> I am of the view that we go as plain/keep it simple as we can here and if
> it becomes an identifiable problem then we address it.
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Benson Margulies <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> To expand,
>>
>> On the one hand, people dump an amazing variety of crud onto Central.
>> There's no special reason for NiFi to have more of a conscience than anyone
>> else.
>>
>> On the other hand, if you want to use Maven to build things but not have
>> them push to central, you control:
>>
>>     the install plugin
>>     the deploy plugin
>>
>> and the 'attach' parameters of some other plugins, like the war plugin and
>> the assembly plugin. Roughly, if you want to avoid treating the primary
>> artifact of a project as a maven artifact, you have to mess with install
>> and deploy.
>>
>> It would be good to sort this out before tackling any other release issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Benson Margulies <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > If you don't want to release it you need to not deploy it. That is a pom
>> > change unrelated to the staging repo.
>> > On Jan 8, 2015 5:37 PM, "Adam Taft" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Benson,
>> >>
>> >> Quite a bit of NIFI's artifacts are more like application bundles of
>> other
>> >> common libraries.  Most of the NIFI nars aren't really useful for
>> >> application developers to bind to in their own code.  These nars are
>> more
>> >> part of the application and less useful as a shared common library.
>> >>
>> >> One of my concerns was accidentally releasing unneeded nars into maven
>> >> central.  It sounds like the "purgatory" area solves this?  Can you
>> speak
>> >> to this a little more?
>> >>
>> >> There's been discussion on whether we care that application nars escape
>> >> into maven central - I'm not trying to weigh in on that topic (though, I
>> >> think you can read my thoughts between the lines).  I'm just asking for
>> >> more clarity on the options when using the maven release plugin.
>> >> Purgatory
>> >> might very well allow us to have our cake and eat it too.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Adam
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Benson Margulies <[email protected]
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Joe Witt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Benson,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Well I think we have all the groundwork laid as far as I know for
>> the
>> >> > > release plugin.  To be honest though (speaking for myself at least)
>> >> I'm
>> >> > not
>> >> > > sure what the steps would be that the release plugin would do.  I'd
>> >> love
>> >> > it
>> >> > > to be as you describe but am also concerned about how much we'd be
>> >> > bugging
>> >> > > you to figure that out.  I looked at what other projects seem to do
>> >> and
>> >> > it
>> >> > > seemed shockingly manual.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If you don't mind laying out the steps in more detail when you have
>> >> time
>> >> > > would love to learn from you on it.  I can also try toying around
>> with
>> >> > it a
>> >> > > bit more off-line.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know what projects you're looking at, but it shouldn't look so
>> >> > manual for any project that has a Maven top-level build.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's the basic workflow of the maven-release-plugin:
>> >> >
>> >> > release:prepare:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. edit poms to contain 'release version'.
>> >> > 2. make a commit.
>> >> > 3. make a tag.
>> >> > 4. edit poms to contain 'next snapshot'
>> >> > 5. make a commit.
>> >> > 6. push the whole business (unless you turn that off).
>> >> >
>> >> > release:perform:
>> >> >
>> >> > 7. check out from tag in target/checkout (using extra git clone)
>> >> > 8. build
>> >> > 9. deploy results to target of deploymentManagement
>> >> >
>> >> > Now comes the next trick.
>> >> >
>> >> > Apache runs a copy of Sonatype Nexus, that serves as a 'staging
>> >> > repository'.  So, when step 9 pushes things to the repository, it's
>> >> pushing
>> >> > them to a special 'purgatory' staging area. That area is available for
>> >> > people to look at for testing, but does not propagate along to Maven
>> >> > central.
>> >> >
>> >> > Given all this, then we add one ingredient: an additional maven module
>> >> that
>> >> > uses the maven-assembly-plugin to build a tarball that satisfies the
>> >> > requirements of an Apache source release. This is not the same thing
>> as
>> >> > what the maven-source-plugin does at all. Since it will have
>> >> > <attach>true</attach>, the resulting tarball swims upstream to the
>> >> staging
>> >> > repo with everything else.
>> >> >
>> >> > The vote email points people to that location, and supplies a sha1 for
>> >> the
>> >> > source ball. Voters download the source release from the staging repo,
>> >> do
>> >> > what they need to do, and vote. Three +1's later, and then you get to
>> >> > publish.
>> >> >
>> >> > Does this help? The only manual steps are really copying to svn to
>> push
>> >> to
>> >> > the Apache dist area. CXF and all the Maven plugins are examples.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks
>> >> > > Joe
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Benson Margulies <
>> >> [email protected]>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Joe Witt <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Benson,
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Yes that would be much appreciated.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Here is a rough gamplan of what I *think* will be needed to do
>> the
>> >> > > > release:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > - Branch from develop against a ticket for the overall release
>> >> > process
>> >> > > > > - Update the version of all the artifacts and dependencies to
>> >> > > > > 0.0.1-RC1-incubating or something like that
>> >> > > > > - Create the tar.gz of the clean source tree.  Sign that and
>> place
>> >> > both
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > > signed file and the tar.gz into my people's dir (if i have one
>> of
>> >> > > those)
>> >> > > > > - Notify folks that this is available so they can pull it and
>> >> attempt
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > > > build from that and validate the signature
>> >> > > > > - Once folks agree it is good to merge that to master
>> >> > > > > - Create a tar.gz of that and a signed file.  Call a vote within
>> >> the
>> >> > > > team.
>> >> > > > > If that is good call a vote within IPMC.
>> >> > > > > - IF NO - fix whatever is wrong.
>> >> > > > > - If all good then do a maven deploy of the binary artifacts,
>> >> source
>> >> > > > > bundles, and javadocs
>> >> > > > > - Upload the tar.gz of source and the signed file to our dist
>> dir.
>> >> > And
>> >> > > > > upload convenience binary build tar.gz and zip with sigs to our
>> >> dist
>> >> > > > > folder.  Then create links to these from our downloads page.
>> >> > > > > - Update JIRA that the release is closed.
>> >> > > > > - Wash/Rinse/Repeat
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > <note this all is with the understanding that we've done all the
>> >> > > > necessary
>> >> > > > > review of dependencies, licenses, properly documented them, have
>> >> our
>> >> > > > > ECCN/encryption stuff properly filed>
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sure, except that I think we can make the maven-release-plugin do
>> a
>> >> lot
>> >> > > of
>> >> > > > the work.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The idea is that you run the release plugin, and it delivers all
>> >> these
>> >> > > > goodies to repository.apache.org. Then you call the vote. If the
>> >> vote
>> >> > > > passes, you (a) push the promote button to push to Maven Central,
>> >> and
>> >> > (b)
>> >> > > > check the official source release tarball into the svn area for
>> >> > > > distribution.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I will take a whack at a PR for point (a).
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Might be missing a detail or two but does that sound roughly on
>> >> the
>> >> > > right
>> >> > > > > rack?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I had though the maven release plugin would be useful but looks
>> >> like
>> >> > > > we'll
>> >> > > > > just be able to use the versions plugin to update them and can
>> do
>> >> the
>> >> > > > other
>> >> > > > > simple steps manually.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Thanks
>> >> > > > > Joe
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Benson Margulies <
>> >> > > [email protected]>
>> >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Typically people set the maven assembly plugin for this and
>> >> include
>> >> > > it
>> >> > > > in
>> >> > > > > > the build. Would you like me to pitch this in?
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Mike Drob <
>> [email protected]>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Joe Witt <
>> [email protected]>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Josh
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Awesome.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Honestly I believe we're good on the LICENSE, NOTICE,
>> >> > DISCLAIMER,
>> >> > > > > > README.
>> >> > > > > > > > All dependencies have been reviewed and checked for ASLv2
>> >> > > > > > compatibility.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Will submit the infra ticket now for the dist/ path for
>> keys
>> >> > > files
>> >> > > > > and
>> >> > > > > > > > such.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > My guess is that the release artifact should be a tarball
>> of
>> >> > all
>> >> > > > > > source.
>> >> > > > > > > > Could we literally just package up a clean source tree?
>> >> Anyone
>> >> > > > else
>> >> > > > > > have
>> >> > > > > > > > views on this?
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > git archive -o [nifi-0.0.1-incubating.tar.gz] [release-tag]
>> >> is a
>> >> > > > > > perfectly
>> >> > > > > > > reasonable thing to do.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Ideally with this release we'd do it all properly
>> including
>> >> > maven
>> >> > > > > > > > artifacts, sources/javadocs, and so on.  The Maven build
>> >> does
>> >> > > > already
>> >> > > > > > > > operate now off a single command at the root to build
>> >> > everything
>> >> > > > > > > > (build-order is gone) and inherits from the apache parent.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Will need to incorporate RAT.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Thanks for all that - definitely gives some stuff to work
>> on
>> >> > and
>> >> > > > look
>> >> > > > > > > into.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Thanks
>> >> > > > > > > > Joe
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Josh Elser <
>> >> > > [email protected]>
>> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Regardless of what you call it, writing down exactly
>> what
>> >> was
>> >> > > > done
>> >> > > > > to
>> >> > > > > > > > make
>> >> > > > > > > > > a RC is extremely important early on (I know that I sure
>> >> > can't
>> >> > > > > > remember
>> >> > > > > > > > > what I did last week, much less last release). I'm not
>> >> sure
>> >> > if
>> >> > > > > > release
>> >> > > > > > > > > guide is formally defined somewhere, but enough
>> >> information
>> >> > > that
>> >> > > > > any
>> >> > > > > > > > other
>> >> > > > > > > > > committer can come by after "you get hit by a train" and
>> >> > make a
>> >> > > > > > release
>> >> > > > > > > > is
>> >> > > > > > > > > extremely important. Using the CMS and making a page on
>> >> the
>> >> > > > website
>> >> > > > > > for
>> >> > > > > > > > > this is extremely easy to do, IMO.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Another concern for how to actually make a release is
>> the
>> >> > type
>> >> > > of
>> >> > > > > > > > > packaging that is released. I not talking about the
>> >> > > source/binary
>> >> > > > > > > release
>> >> > > > > > > > > here, literally "what is Apache NiFi 0.0.1-incubating"?
>> Is
>> >> > it a
>> >> > > > > > > tarball?
>> >> > > > > > > > > Are there jars in Maven? etc. A tarball is pretty easy
>> to
>> >> > make,
>> >> > > > and
>> >> > > > > > > > likely
>> >> > > > > > > > > the closest to what the build-order.sh script already
>> does
>> >> > > (with
>> >> > > > > > > Maven's
>> >> > > > > > > > > help). I'm not sure if maven-released artifacts are
>> quite
>> >> as
>> >> > > > > > important
>> >> > > > > > > at
>> >> > > > > > > > > this point -- if it's not, punting on that will help.
>> >> If/when
>> >> > > you
>> >> > > > > get
>> >> > > > > > > to
>> >> > > > > > > > > that point, look into the apache parent pom[1]. It is
>> >> > extremely
>> >> > > > > well
>> >> > > > > > > > > automated to use the existing infrastructure to do it
>> all
>> >> for
>> >> > > > you.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Without looking at official documentation (which is me
>> >> being
>> >> > > > lazy,
>> >> > > > > > > > sorry),
>> >> > > > > > > > > some other things that will need to be thought about:
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Start with the releases page [2]
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > * You *must* include a source artifact. It cannot have
>> >> > > binaries.
>> >> > > > No
>> >> > > > > > > Java
>> >> > > > > > > > > class files, no jars. A user must be able to download
>> the
>> >> > > source
>> >> > > > > > > artifact
>> >> > > > > > > > > and build it all themselves. Artifacts which include
>> >> binaries
>> >> > > are
>> >> > > > > for
>> >> > > > > > > > > user-convenience only and can optionally be provided as
>> >> well.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > * LICENSE, NOTICE and README must all be included in the
>> >> top
>> >> > > > level
>> >> > > > > of
>> >> > > > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > > > artifact. The NOTICE is the most painful and must
>> include
>> >> any
>> >> > > > > > required
>> >> > > > > > > > > third-party notices. [3]
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > * You will need to audit your dependencies to make sure
>> >> that
>> >> > > they
>> >> > > > > are
>> >> > > > > > > > > ASLv2 compatible [4]
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > * Releases must be cryptographically signed (PGP) [5].
>> >> Your
>> >> > > > public
>> >> > > > > > key
>> >> > > > > > > > > should be published to known sites (e.g. pgp.mit.edu)
>> and
>> >> > must
>> >> > > > be
>> >> > > > > > > listed
>> >> > > > > > > > > in NiFi's KEYS file [6] (which does not yet exist,
>> >> probably
>> >> > > needs
>> >> > > > > an
>> >> > > > > > > > infra
>> >> > > > > > > > > ticket to create your dist/ directory?).
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > * Verify that every source file contain the proper ASL
>> >> > header.
>> >> > > > The
>> >> > > > > > > > > release-audit-tool[7] (`mvn apache-rat:check`) is a
>> >> wonderful
>> >> > > > tool
>> >> > > > > > that
>> >> > > > > > > > can
>> >> > > > > > > > > (and should, IMO) be integrated into your build process
>> to
>> >> > > > prevent
>> >> > > > > > > people
>> >> > > > > > > > > from accidentally committing new files between releases
>> >> that
>> >> > do
>> >> > > > not
>> >> > > > > > > have
>> >> > > > > > > > > the correct header.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > And suddenly, this is really long :). Short answer:
>> decide
>> >> > what
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > > > release should look like (just a tarball?), start
>> vetting
>> >> > your
>> >> > > > > source
>> >> > > > > > > > code
>> >> > > > > > > > > for license headers, and looking into NiFi's
>> dependencies
>> >> and
>> >> > > > their
>> >> > > > > > > > > licenses.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > [1] http://maven.apache.org/pom/asf/
>> >> > > > > > > > > [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
>> >> > > > > > > > > [3] http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html
>> >> > > > > > > > > [4]
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-x
>> >> > > > > > > > > [5] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-signing.html
>> >> > > > > > > > > [6] http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/nifi/KEYS
>> >> > > > > > > > > [7] http://creadur.apache.org/rat/
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Tony Kurc wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > >> I read the guide Joe linked and a lot of the sticky
>> parts
>> >> > are
>> >> > > > > marked
>> >> > > > > > > > >> "TODO"
>> >> > > > > > > > >> and it looks like a work in progress
>> >> > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > >> "Podlings can short circuit this process by starting
>> out
>> >> > with
>> >> > > > > > written
>> >> > > > > > > > >> release documentation. It is strongly recommended that
>> >> > > Podlings
>> >> > > > > > invest
>> >> > > > > > > > >> time
>> >> > > > > > > > >> looking at the best practices recommended in this
>> >> document.
>> >> > By
>> >> > > > > > > selection
>> >> > > > > > > > >> and modification, sections of this document can be used
>> >> to
>> >> > > > quickly
>> >> > > > > > and
>> >> > > > > > > > >> easily bootstrap a release guide. "
>> >> > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > >> Is step one putting together a release guide?
>> >> > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Joe Witt<
>> >> [email protected]
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>  Hello
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> Just wanted to stir this one up a bit.  Looks like all
>> >> > > tickets
>> >> > > > > > pegged
>> >> > > > > > > > as
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> 0.0.1 are resolved (2 remain as of now but seem likely
>> >> to
>> >> > be
>> >> > > > > > resolved
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> shortly based on their comments).  So working through
>> >> the
>> >> > > > release
>> >> > > > > > > steps
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> available on apache.org and via the link Brock sent.
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> Anyone interested in this part of the process or who
>> has
>> >> > > advice
>> >> > > > > to
>> >> > > > > > > help
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> us
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> avoid landmines we're happy to hear it.
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> Thanks
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> Joe
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Joe Witt<
>> >> > [email protected]
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>  Thanks Brock this is very helpful.
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Brock Noland<
>> >> > > > > [email protected]>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>> Hi,
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> This is a decent guide which can be copied:
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> http://mrunit.apache.org/pmc/how_to_release.html
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Brock
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Joe Witt<
>> >> > > > [email protected]>
>> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Folks,
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Looking at the tickets that remain which are
>> >> presently
>> >> > > tied
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > > > > 0.0.1
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> we're
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> probably 1-2 weeks out from this initial release.
>> >> Can
>> >> > you
>> >> > > > > > provide
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> some
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>> pointers/references or pointers on how to get this
>> ball
>> >> > > > rolling
>> >> > > > > > and
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> any
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>> rocks we must move before going down this path?
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> That link seems really helpful but has a lot of
>> TODOs
>> >> > for
>> >> > > > > areas
>> >> > > > > > > > which
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> need
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> more explanation.
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Joe
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > >
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>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
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>> >>
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>>



-- 
Joey Echeverria

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