I'm also inclined to go with jdk11. Best, Girish
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 9:58 PM Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > +1 for 11 > > Jacques > > Le 03/02/2021 à 17:20, Michael Brohl a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > > there was the idea to make the official switch to jdk11 within the next > new branch which possibly will be 21.x . > > > > jdk11 will be available at least until October 2024. > > > > jdk17 (LTS) will be available from September 2021 and be available until > 2025 (four years). > > > > I think we should decide if we want jdk11 to be the next supported JDK > for OFBiz r21 or if we want to go with jdk17. > > > > I tend to go with jdk11 which is mature and available and the community > already made OFBiz ready for it. (See > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-10757). > > > > For jdk17 we'll have to wait until September and gain one more year of > support. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Michael Brohl > > > > ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de > > > > > > Am 19.04.19 um 23:09 schrieb Jacques Le Roux: > >> Ah OK > >> > >> Le 19/04/2019 à 21:16, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : > >>> It's already done. I'm suggesting future actions for future JDKs > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 8:53 PM Jacques Le Roux < > jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Taher, > >>>> > >>>> Sounds like a plan, will you create those Jiras Taher? > >>>> > >>>> Maybe as subtasks of OFBIZ-10757, or simply reusing it w/o closing it > >>>> until we swap? > >>>> > >>>> I believe the later is the easiest for all of us, but could be > confusing > >>>> after a moment. > >>>> > >>>> Jacques > >>>> > >>>> Le 17/04/2019 à 10:02, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : > >>>>> I see no problem in sticking with 8. It would also probably be > >>>>> beneficial to get the code base to be compatible with Java 11 so that > >>>>> people who want to upgrade are not restricted from doing so (which we > >>>>> have done already). In other words, like Scott said, it should be a > >>>>> "minimum" instead of a "maximum". When we were trying to upgrade we > >>>>> faced some obstacles and resolved them. which means this needs to be > a > >>>>> task regularly done. > >>>>> > >>>>> So we could perhaps regularly create JIRAs like "Ensure OFBiz can > >>>>> operate on Java version X" so that the code base is always forward > >>>>> compatible. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:57 AM Scott Gray > >>>>> <scott.g...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Reasons to increase the minimum version: > >>>>>> - compelling new features > >>>>>> - end of support of current minimum > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Reasons to not increase the minimum: > >>>>>> - potential instability of new version > >>>>>> - complicates the life of users and contributors who still use the > >>>> existing > >>>>>> minimum > >>>>>> - lack of expertise in configuring and using new features > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think every few months we should discuss it but I don't think it's > >>>> worth > >>>>>> shifting any time soon. The pros need to outweigh the cons, and > >>>> personally > >>>>>> I don't really see it at the moment. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The end of support date for 11 probably shouldn't be a > consideration at > >>>>>> this point, by the time we even get close to that java 23 LTS will > >>>> probably > >>>>>> be a year old :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards > >>>>>> Scott > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 00:50 Michael Brohl, <michael.br...@ecomify.de > > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Ah, sorry Taher if I was not clear enough. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes, I think we should do the switch to Adopt Open JDK 8 LTS now > for > >>>>>>> trunk, 18.12 and 17.12 to make the project independent from the > short > >>>>>>> cycled releases of the Oracle JDK and the subscription for use of > the > >>>>>>> Oracle JDK 8 LTS. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I just recognized that Adopt JDK 11 LTS will be available until > Sept. > >>>>>>> 2022. If that is not a mistake I have to refine the timeline: we > can > >>>>>>> then switch to Adopt Open JDK 11 LTS on trunk right before the > release > >>>>>>> branch for 19.x is created. I guess that the future LTS releases > will > >>>>>>> have support for at least 4 years. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That means we would remain Java 8 compatible for the releases 16 > to 18 > >>>>>>> and announce the Java 11 dependency for release 19 and up. This > should > >>>>>>> give users enough time to plan, test and migrate. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Users could work with release branch 19.x on Open JDK 11 for 2,5 > years > >>>>>>> then. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For the future, I would suggest to introduce a new Open JDK LTS > version > >>>>>>> about 3-6 months after the first release, we might want to create > a new > >>>>>>> release branch in the course of this. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What do you think? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Michael Brohl > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Am 15.04.19 um 13:25 schrieb Taher Alkhateeb: > >>>>>>>> Hi Michael, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So just to understand your suggestion clearly. Are you > recommending > >>>>>>>> that we switch from oracle JDK to open JDK now (in 18 and trunk) > and > >>>>>>>> introduce open jdk 11 in 2021? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 11:46 AM Michael Brohl < > >>>> michael.br...@ecomify.de> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Hi Scott, all, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> yes, Adopt Open JDK 8 LTS is supported at least untile September > 2023 > >>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>> Thinking about this a bit more I second to stay with Open JDK 8 > LTS > >>>> for > >>>>>>>>> release branches 17.12, 18.12 and trunk for now. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Professional users/ companies have a very conservative update > >>>> strategy > >>>>>>>>> for base technologies like the JDK and we should support it as > long > >>>> as > >>>>>>>>> it is reasonable. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, my suggestion would be to introduce Adopt Open JDK 11 LTS > with > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>> release branch 21.x, meaning that we change to JDK 11 right > before > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>> release branch will be created. This gives us plenty of time to > test > >>>>>>>>> with Java 11 and we can introduce Java 11 features in the trunk > after > >>>>>>>>> that. So release branch 22.x would be the first to depend on > Java 11. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> What do you think? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Michael Brohl > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://adoptopenjdk.net/support.html > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.19 um 00:07 schrieb Scott Gray: > >>>>>>>>>> My understanding was that openjdk would support java 8 until > 2023. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In the past our strategy used to be that we should ensure the > code > >>>> base > >>>>>>>>>> would operate on newer java versions but keep our minimum > required > >>>>>>> version > >>>>>>>>>> as low as possible. That effectively allows users to run > whatever > >>>>>>> version > >>>>>>>>>> they like. So unless there are some compelling new features in > java > >>>>>>>>>> 9/10/11 that we think we must have, I'd prefer it if we kept our > >>>>>>> minimum > >>>>>>>>>> supported version as low as possible. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> For myself, all client projects are still running java 8 > (openjdk) > >>>> so > >>>>>>>>>> before I could continue contributing to OFBiz I would have to > figure > >>>>>>> out > >>>>>>>>>> how to run both versions on my machine with minimal disruption. > >>>> Since > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> don't have a huge amount of spare time, I would probably just > put it > >>>>>>> off > >>>>>>>>>> for quite a while and work on other things. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to veto the idea, if the community wants to > proceed > >>>>>>> then it > >>>>>>>>>> should but I doubt I'm the only contributor we'd be putting > another > >>>>>>> hurdle > >>>>>>>>>> in front of. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Regards > >>>>>>>>>> Scott > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 09:09, Taher Alkhateeb < > >>>>>>> slidingfilame...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could be mistaken but it seems EOL for java 8 is coming > >>>> soon > >>>>>>> (2019 > >>>>>>>>>>> commercial 2020 personal) [1]. This seems to be the case > because > >>>> the > >>>>>>> new > >>>>>>>>>>> LTS is out which is java 11. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Also this new release model from oracle seems to be annoying > which > >>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>> pushing developers to adopt the openjdk instead. So I guess the > >>>>>>> reason for > >>>>>>>>>>> the upgrade is to strike two birds with one stone: upgrade > java and > >>>>>>> switch > >>>>>>>>>>> to openjdk. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> With that being said, I don't have a firm opinion on upgrading > and > >>>> I > >>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>>> wanted to highlight things, I leave it to other folks to > decide. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>> > https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/java-se-support-roadmap.html > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 10:38 PM Scott Gray < > >>>>>>> scott.g...@hotwaxsystems.com> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> That would probably halt any further contributions from me in > the > >>>>>>> short > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> medium term. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can I ask why we need to require 11 when 8 is supported > through to > >>>>>>> 2023? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > >>>>>>>>>>>> Scott > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, 23:37 Jacques Le Roux, < > >>>>>>>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If nobody disagree, I'll make the last move (ie ask for Java > 11 > >>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>> build.gradle) in 3 days > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13/04/2019 à 12:34, Nicolas Malin a écrit : > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2019 11:47, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just tested, without surprise the trunk HEAD works with > Java > >>>> 11 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did the same with 18.12, works fine > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nicolas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
