In the meantime, they should really start to do the license switch to ASL2.0 That will simplify everything... and it is much easier to do now that the community is still small.

Jacopo

On Jul 3, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

Hi,

FYI, we agreed today with Luan, that he will try to increase ARIA community size before being a candidate for poddling. He will then come back to us and we will then reallly begin to help them to get through the incubator process.

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Typo
Should I ask for a Sponsor somewhere ? Is somebody interested to me a mentor for ARIA ?
is
Should I ask for a Sponsor somewhere ? Is somebody interested to *be* a mentor for ARIA ?

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi PMC mermbers,

You certainly know that ARIA will replace XUI. And Luan O'Carrol is willing to make ARIA a candidate for a TLP project through
Incubator.
I would like to help him on this way and I wonder if you may give me some help too :o)

I already gave these links
Asking officialy on incubator ML [EMAIL PROTECTED] should help. Mentionning XUI (now ARIA) is used by OFBiz should
help
also. You may be interested by OFBiz experience : http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ofbiz.html notably http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ofbiz.html. But the main resource to begin with is certainly http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html. This one is important too :
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html

Should I ask for a Sponsor somewhere ? Is somebody interested to me a mentor for ARIA ?

Thanks

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Luan,

I was pretty busy these last days, and I must confess I did nothing yet but asking some help on Dev ML. I will now ask more
formerly
on the private PMC list. If I get any responses, I will begin to dot it alone...

Asking officialy on incubator ML [EMAIL PROTECTED] should help. Mentionning XUI (now ARIA) is used by OFBiz should
help
also. You may be interested by OFBiz experience : http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ofbiz.html notably http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ofbiz.html. But the main resource to begin with is certainly http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html. This one is important too :
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html

Spring RCP make sense indeed, we will see what happens...

Cheers

Jacques

From: "Luan O'Carroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Jacques,

Is there anything I can do to support this or lobby in any way?

The Spring RCP community is also interested in the project, although they are quite slow to react. I don't know if they would be willing to come on board an Apache project, although they do use lots of Apache
libraries.

Regards

Luan

2008/6/27 Jacques Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi,

I want to let you know that the XUI project is officially dead. XUI was licenced under the XPL licence which was a derivation from MPL, hence compatible with our licence. There is a new project which aims to replace XUI : ARIA http://sourceforge.net/projects/aria/. It was created by one of the XUI founders : Luan O'Carrol. Unfortunately there was a couple of issue

Bad news
1. The licence has changed, it's now under a GPL/LGPL license (on
SourceForge it's even less clear)
2. There will be some tools to migrate from XUI to ARIA but it is not
directly compatible.

Good news
1. As I have exchanged a bit with Luan before when working on the POS, I asked him about the licence. He said it should no be a big deal as his intention is to open ARIA more than XUI was. So in a 1st time he will change
the licence to MPL (or MP like) has it was before for XUI.
2. I'm sure the ARIA team will help us if ever we need to migrate from XUI
to ARIA.

We discussed a bit more and it happens that Luan would like to have ARIA under the ASL2. And even that he would like to see ARIA becomes an Apache Project. I explained him roughly the procedure (Candidate, Champion, Sponsor, Mentor, Incubator, TLP). I think I qualify for being a Mentor. But I will need some help from our community (OFBiz) to find the Champion, Sponsor and at least another Mentor. I think that OFBiz can't be a Sponsor. Else ARIA will later (when hopefully out of incubator) become an OFBiz sub-project which makes not a lot of sense in my opinion. Note that Luan has
previously contributed to the Batik Apache Project.

Note also that there is no hurry on our side. We now use XUI 3.2rc2B without any known issues. But I think it's better to know that ARIA will be there
for our future with the POS component.

Thanks for your attention

Jacques







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