What I have so far is in the board report draft (based on the email
report I sent to the PMC a few weeks ago):
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-12+DRAFT
As mentioned in there none of these have been a high priority, but it
is an outstanding issue that board members, and more recently and
vocally PRC members, have brought up. I'm not sure if the
infrastructure guys really care where OFBiz resources are hosted... my
experience is consistent with yours Tim that they don't seem to
worried about it.
Right now I consider this a lower priority item and there doesn't seem
to be huge urgency on it, but it does need to be done sooner or later,
and help on it would be very appreciated!
Most discussions happen on the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing
list and anyone can subscribe to that. Lots of things happen based on
discussions there, and then issues in the infra Jira project. They
also have an IRC room that some hang out it, and that they use when
more coordination is needed for certain changes.
-David
On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
Not contradictory at all, I'm just ignorant to this fact, since I
hadn't seen it broadcast and I've been the one handling it for the
community.
Let's start moving it right away then if they've got the bandwidth
to do this. I've had numerous meetings with the infrastructure
group and would be more than happy to dive into this role - just
didn't know they were offering! Aaron Farr, Noel Bergmann and the
infrastructure guys and I had many meetings and discussions about
doing this - but they didn't seem like, "Please move all of your
stuff over here." - they seemed more like, "Let's start discussing
this and we'll figure out when it's time to do this."
In fact, I was in the process of getting another server dedicated to
this effort on our infrastructure, but if the ASF can handle all of
this, then let's try our hand at doing it this way:
1. Move the demo servers immediately
2. Move the nightly builds and that process immediately
3. Decide what we want to do longer term (Confluence vs. WebSlinger)
and move that
-- This will take some more thought - we could obviously do #4 first
-- I just didn't want them to have to manage that.
4. Move document repository
Anyways, if we're ready to go, I'll put the halt on the new server
and the new services we were planning. Add me to whatever list i
need to in order to get in touch and I'll drive the process with
infrastructure to get it all going. I doubt it's as easy to drop in
as you were alluding to, but I'm happy to push that along as much as
possible.
I'm also going to send another email to this list about what the ASF
did ask for while we were there in hopes that we can all be a part
of a more directed, coordinated effort to build something on top of
OFBiz directly to meet the ASF needs.
Cheers,
Tim
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HotWax Media
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On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:07 AM, David E Jones wrote:
I'm sorry to be contradictory, but I don't think this statement is
true: "the ASF is not ready to host all of these things - nightly
builds, demo sites, documentation management, etc"
The ASF infra certainly IS ready for these things, and nearly all
other projects DO those things on ASF infra. In fact, it has been
brought up as a concern by a few other people in the foundation
that OFBiz is not doing these exact things on ASF infra, and we
really need to address that concern. There are legal and public
relations, as well as maintenance/etc, concerns. At this point it's
enough of an issue that I've been asked to include a report on this
in the next board report, and keep updating status on it in board
reports until it is complete. The PMC has been discussing this a
bit, and Jacques has started working on some things for his
external servers.
It may be easier to use infra that we're familiar with already, but
we need to start working with the infra people at the ASF and
solving some of these problems in more collaboration with them.
Actually, it's a great opportunity to do so now because they may
have great feedback on things we should do in the apps and/or other
things we can improve in OFBiz. It was great to meet a lot of the
infra people at ApacheCon, and even to work side-by-side with a few
of them digging postholes and pounding nails into a fence. It's
definitely volunteer driven, but there are good people there to
work with. And, if anyone gets impatient with what is going on over
there... then volunteering to work on infra is the appropriate way
to resolve that! ;)
-David
On Nov 16, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
Whenever the community is ready, we can host an instance for these
purposes (at least until the ASF is ready to do this). This is
not an issue right now since the ASF is not ready to host all of
these things - nightly builds, demo sites, documentation
management, etc - but I agree at some point it would be nice if
this was all under the ASF umbrella. Whenever they're ready,
we'll be more than happy to move all of that stuff to the ASF -
but for now, if we need additional infrastructure, we have a place
where it can be hosted, at no charge to anyone else, that will
meet everyone's needs.
Personally, I think that this all kinda depends when we have
WebSlinger integrated and into OFBiz officially, as it's the only
interface I've seen on top of OFBiz that would be possible to
replace something like Confluence.
Cheers,
Tim
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Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
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On Nov 16, 2008, at 6:45 AM, David E Jones wrote:
1. create list of activities we want to be able to do with OFBiz
(in the OFBREQDES space on docs.ofbiz.org)
2. design screens, etc needed for enabling (and dare I say...
automating) these activities
3. develop and contribute functionality, perhaps in a new
component in specialpurpose that is just for enabling
collaboration on open source projects (project mgmt, content
mgmt, etc for open source projects)
4. a number of people try to use it locally and send feedback and
ideas to this mailing list, and refine #1 and repeat
5. get a test server up somewhere for people to try it out in a
group setting on a small set of content, tasks, etc (possibly
optional if #4 is good enough)
6. deploy to a production server and really start using for OFBiz
If I understand what you are saying, it is like #5. Before trying
to do that I'd like to at least do #4, and preferably #1-3 before
that.
-David
On Nov 16, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Bruno Busco wrote:
That's great,
but in order to get OFBiz ready, I think we should have it
working as a CMS
in a live site where we all have access and with contents that
will then be
moved into the Apache server.
Is this possible?
-Bruno
2008/11/13 David E Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Actually as we get OFBiz ready to run for OFBiz we'll have it
hosted on ASF
infra. The OFBiz resources that are not hosted on ASF infra are
actually an
issue right now that needs to be resolved at some point (ie
confluence,
nightly builds, demo site, etc).
-David
On Nov 13, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Bruno Busco wrote:
Hi Enrique,
I just bumped this thread up because using OFBiz itself in
place of
Confluence and even Jira has been discussed in the Apache
Symposium
(according to David's notes).
I think that setting a server up and running is something HWM
will do
something about.
On my end I will more than happy to help this happen and kept
running.
-Bruno
2008/11/13 Enrique Ruibal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello Bruno,
What do you have in mind?, Is there something that can be
started on your
end?
How Can I help with Testing / Documenting stuff?
Regards,
Enrique R.
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