It will move the project forward towards more community involvement if
the core and framework get the attention that they need and the non-core
modules are free to attract their own following and start to have
independent lives with independent roadmaps, release schedules and
communities within the Apache OFBiz umbrella.
If someone wants the project management module to run under 13.07.x,
then they can assemble a team, fix it and release a PM module that is
guaranteed by them to work with 13.07.x. or pay someone to do it.
If no one cares, why should the core team spend time on it.
It also avoids the contentious and someone demoralizing arguments about
"who represents the community" for these peripheral modules.
Save the fights and energy for the core and framework roadmap.
My feeling is that OFBiz is too big a project and needs to be broken
down into manageable chunks that can be run in a more transparent and
planned way.
Splitting out modules that do not affect the core will help in a number
of ways.
- force the framework team to be more transparent and have a clear plan
about what new functionality is coming and when.
- force the core team to look at extensibility in a transparent way -
what is immutable within a release, what are the immutable APIs, what is
the process to get an enhancement included in the roadmap,
- allow the core to get a more frequent release pattern by reducing the
number of things that have to be done to get a release out. I would like
to get people actually running releases not having everyone forced to
build and test their own versions to get the last year's worth of bug
fixes. If there was a monthly or bi-monthly release pattern with
emergency releases for security bugs, adoption would be a lot easier.
- focus everyone on how extensions must be constructed to play nicely
with the core and each other.
- allow expertise to be developed in sub-projects that are small enough
for new developers to start without compromising the core. OFBiz is a
big chunk to chew on.
This will also force each group to offer its own warranty which is a big
job in the current structure and contributes to the slow release schedule.
- allow the core team to get focused on the core and not get distracted
by all kinds of requests for special purpose modules
and so on.
Ron
On 07/01/2015 4:03 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
So you prefer R13.01 w/ only the ecommerce component in
specialpurpose, why?
Jacques
Le 07/01/2015 20:32, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
I would say "no" if that is the only question being asked.
We can have the discussion about how to support individual modules
later if you want to do it in 2 steps.
Ron
On 07/01/2015 11:43 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
The raw question is "should we put back the specialpurpose
components back in R13.07 or not?"
It's not planning something new here, just cleaning our mess!
Jacques
Le 07/01/2015 17:28, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
This is the kind of discussion that I am hoping to avoid with
option 4.
Let the community decide and show their choice by a willingness to
support the components that "the OFBiz Community" wants to keep.
If a component does not need enhancement and can run as is in
13.x.x or there is no one who wants to run 13.x.x with a certain
component, then why waste resources porting it or worrying about it
until individuals from the community steps forward and says "I need
module xxx and am willing to help support it".
The other options seem to invite this kind of contentious
speculation where people who care about the core and framework are
wasting time trying to guess the needs of the community for various
modules.
Once you make this policy decision and remove the special purpose
from the core and framework project, we can start to look at
individual modules and see who will support what.
I gather that some will get support right away and sub-projects
will be set up within days with people who are committed to making
these work (ecommerce, project management seem to have interested
parties already).
Ron
On 07/01/2015 10:59 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
On Jan 7, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Jacques Le Roux
<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
Le 07/01/2015 12:47, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux
<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
Nobody like the 2nd alternative it seems.
?
It's obvious we (the OFBIz community) are missing some components
in specialpurpose.
It isn't "obvious": unless you think to represent "the OFBiz
community".
Maybe not all...
A fact proves that: they are back in R14.12
This doesn't prove anything: I have been the one that proposed to
include them (even if temporarily) in order to facilitate the work
of the committers (backporting) but we are still discussing this
and they may stay or go away; most of all, they will probably not
be part of any release.
Jacopo
Jacques
Jacopo
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