Hi Divesh, Fantastic! Thank you very much for joining. Feel free to contact me directly if you need anything.
Cheers, Taher Alkhateeb On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Divesh Dutta <divesh.du...@hotwaxsystems.com > wrote: > Thanks Taher for the links. Me , Mridul and Pranay have picked some items > from the list. We will keep discussing on these items. > > Also as you said it will be great once we come up with some clever solution > to collaborate on these items so that we discuss and make progress on > refactoring effort. > > Thanks > -- > Divesh Dutta. > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Taher Alkhateeb < > slidingfilame...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Divesh, > > > > This initiative is already going and I invite to jump in: > > here -> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Re-Factor+To-Do+List > > and here -> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Coding+Practices > > > > I will work on more tasks and more ideas for people to jump in. However, > I > > think the problem right now is that of communication and reaching out to > > interested members who perhaps are intimidated by the process. That's why > > it was a great gesture from Sharan to invite mentors and I will wait for > > Sharan or others to come up with some clever solution for us to > collaborate > > more effectively. > > > > So to give you some clarity on the vision for the refactoring project: > > - Code should be clean > > - Things should be modular and isolated > > - Lower level things should not depend on higher level things > > > > That's it, that's the plan! If we stick to it completely and religiously > > and continue doing this for say 12 months or more, then the code would > > reach a level of clarity that ALLOWS YOU TO THINK of new ideas and ways > to > > improve. You cannot think in a mess! > > > > I hope you can join and help out. Take a look at the wiki. > > > > Taher Alkhateeb > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Divesh Dutta < > > divesh.du...@hotwaxsystems.com > > > wrote: > > > > > Taher, > > > > > > Please let us know how can others help you here. I am sure there are > many > > > members who are willing to participate here and help you in > refactoring. > > > But all might not know what you have exactly in your mind. > > > > > > If you can start with some portions of framework and start describing > the > > > problem you see in current implementation , solution you propose with > > > design notes or implementation notes or some thing to start with for > > other > > > developers, I am sure it will be good start for others to collaborate. > > And > > > we can also create road map of the refactoring work so that all knows > > what > > > is coming up. > > > > > > > > > As you are leading this effort, I will request you to take further > > > initiative and we all are here to help you . > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > -- > > > Divesh Dutta. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Taher Alkhateeb < > > > slidingfilame...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Sharan, > > > > > > > > It's really good to have you on board in this project, thank you for > > the > > > > positive energy :) I compile below my ideas based on your feedback: > > > > > > > > First of all, the ideas I listed in this thread are just ideas that > are > > > > subject to change. The important thing is moving forward and getting > > > things > > > > done. So I ask everyone not to worry too much about the choice of > > > > technology or tool to use here or there. I'm sure whatever we decide > to > > > go > > > > with eventually is okay. In the end, these are tools, what matters is > > > > people and process. > > > > > > > > Second I noticed a problem that maybe you Sharan can help with. I > > > observed > > > > multiple times from some community members that they actually _want_ > to > > > > help but are overwhelmed with the complexity of this process and are > > not > > > > sure how to help. > > > > > > > > The hesitation for others to engage is because collaboration over the > > > Wiki > > > > Page, Mailing List and JIRA is definitely not enough. Why? > > > > > > > > - Slow (feedback on progress, hints, guidance) > > > > - Not very friendly for beginners > > > > - Intimidating: some might be reluctant to ask basic questions on > > > > architecture or programming or so. > > > > - Overwhelming: We are discussing very technical matters and some > > people > > > > would freak out at the complexity. They need to understand that there > > are > > > > different tasks at different levels of complexity and that there are > > > senior > > > > out there who are willing to help. The tools we are using for > > > collaboration > > > > makes it difficult to convey this fact. > > > > - Impersonal and we cannot get people engaged. Things like > > conversations, > > > > brainstorming, assigning tasks, discussing, coaching, teaching and > > > > encouraging are difficult to do. These personal elements are crucial > > for > > > > knowledge transfer and support. > > > > > > > > In short, I think there are members in the society who are willing to > > > > help, but not sure how. It's really unfortunate not to engage these > > > > individuals because of communication barriers. > > > > > > > > My 2 cents! > > > > > > > > Taher Alkhateeb > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Sharan-F [mailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com] > > > > Sent: 06 June 2016 10:57 > > > > To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org > > > > Subject: Re: My experience with refactoring the framework > > > > > > > > Hi Taher > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your experience as I think it contains some real > > > > insights and also re-confirms an important task – we need to tidy up > > our > > > > code. And the one crucial message I hear loud and clear in your email > > is > > > > that we need everyone to help out too. > > > > > > > > (BTW I've seen the amount of work that you have done on the > start.java > > > > which is looking very elegant now :-) > > > > > > > > Your list re-factoring ideas touch on a lot of areas that I'm sure > will > > > > generate discussion and I hope that we don't get too caught up in the > > > > discussion that we don't act. We need to stay active by continually > > doing > > > > something that improves OFBiz. > > > > > > > > I agree that we should look at holding off adding new features or > > > > improvements now and just clean. I've seen the huge amount of > activity > > > that > > > > is happening at the moment so let's see if we can maybe focus some of > > > that > > > > energy into tidying up our code and getting rid of our ' historic > > > technical > > > > debt' (as mentioned by Jacques). > > > > > > > > It sounds like you have already a list of tasks to replenish our > > Current > > > > Re-Factor To Do list so let's do that and get the message out to the > > > > community about what they can do to help. I noticed that if we have a > > > list > > > > of tasks that people can pick up easily, then they will. > > > > > > > > Going forward we may need to have a bit more co-ordination and also > > work > > > > together in small groups focussing on particular areas so things dont > > get > > > > broken, especially once the applications start being affected. > > > > > > > > I'm happy to help so just let me know how I can. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Sharan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > View this message in context: > > > > > > > > > > http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/My-experience-with-refactoring-the-framework-tp4682539p4682591.html > > > > Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
