Thanks for your suggestion, we will definitely make sure that our website will provide the correct information in a clear way.
Jacopo On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > I just want unambiguous communications from the project to its community > (contributors and adopters). > > Messages as 'what I understand' are personal viewpoints, and - like other > posting that starts in similar ways - dilute perceptions of the project's > direction with respect to its products. > > If all are on the same page, then there is some shared agreement on the > conclusion derived from the thread. This means that an explicit statement > can be made by the PMC regarding the short term action and sent to the > entire community (the user ml), so that every contributor and adopters can > determine what to expect from the project. > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > OFBiz based solutions & services > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Jacopo Cappellato < > jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote: > > > I went thru all the comments in this thread and it seems to me that the > > summary that Sharan provided based on the discussion on the user list is > a > > good way to go to deal with Pierre's and other's concerns and with the > > concerns of the developers: it seems we are all on the same page. > > > > Jacopo > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Taher, > > > > > > It seems you did not read the entire posting. > > > > > > The ASF doesn't object from having external libraries (3rd party jar > > files) > > > in the convenience downloads projects make available. This is what > OFBiz > > > does also. > > > > > > If there is a problem within the release process, regarding the > external > > > libraries, then there are more ways around that than to fix something > > that > > > is not broken. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > > > OFBiz based solutions & services > > > > > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > > > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Taher Alkhateeb < > > > slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Pierre, > > > > > > > > It seems you did not read the entire sentence, so I will write here > > again > > > > from the JIRA you mentioned. > > > > > > > > From Jacques: "There is no problems having an external jar (and even > > > more) > > > > in the repo. The pb is only when we release" > > > > > > > > This is exactly what Sharan is saying above. You can keep Jars in > > > branches, > > > > "Releases" are where you are not supposed to keep binaries. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > Taher Alkhateeb > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Smits < > pierre.sm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jacques posted this recently in a JIRA issue: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-7768?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=15369886#comment-15369886 > > > > > > > > > > Stating that there is no issue with having 3rd party libraries (jar > > > > files) > > > > > in the repo. > > > > > Also the ASF does not object to have 3rd party libraries in the > > > > convenience > > > > > downloads that the project makes available. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > > > > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > > > > > OFBiz based solutions & services > > > > > > > > > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > > > > > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Sharan Foga < > sharan.f...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pierre > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for starting the discussion. I had expected to start it > this > > > > week, > > > > > > giving us time to continue stabilising and consolidating the > gradle > > > > work > > > > > in > > > > > > the trunk from last week. (Also a minor correction – I > 'suggested' > > > not > > > > > > 'promised'). > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway my suggestion was to take the discussion to this list to > > talk > > > > > about > > > > > > the next steps. So just as a recap from the user mailing list, my > > > > summary > > > > > > of the discussion there included the following points that are > > > relevant > > > > > to > > > > > > the 14.12 and 15.12 unreleased branches. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) - We would not backport any of the gradle changes into the > > 14.12. > > > or > > > > > > 15.12 > > > > > > branches because it would cause instability > > > > > > 2) - We would leave 14.12 and 15.12 as unreleased branches as > they > > > are > > > > > now > > > > > > (and not > > > > > > make them into releases as to do that we would need to remove all > > the > > > > jar > > > > > > files > > > > > > and this would create instability). > > > > > > 3) - The benefits for our community are that developers and > service > > > > > > providers will > > > > > > still have access to the complete codebase for 14.12 and 15.12 > > > > including > > > > > > the > > > > > > special purpose components to be able to support their client > base. > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding was that the community did reach a consensus on > > > these > > > > > > points. No-one responded to correct, update nor oppose any of > these > > > > > points. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of your questions are answered by the second point. So based > > on > > > > this > > > > > > the responses to your questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > - No, we are not going to delete the external libraries from the > > > > > > unreleased branches 14.12 and 15.12 (if they remain as > unreleased > > > > > branches > > > > > > the there is no need to remove the external jars) > > > > > > > > > > > > - No, we are not going to delete the entire unreleased branches > > 14.12 > > > > and > > > > > > 15.12 (we are leaving these available so that our community will > > > still > > > > > have > > > > > > access to the complete codebase including the special purpose > > > > components) > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact the main discussion that I wanted to start here was more > > > > related > > > > > > to support for 14.12 and 15.12. As we are in transition to > gradle, > > > we > > > > > need > > > > > > to define a time period for backporting bug fixes into these > > > unreleased > > > > > > branches. > > > > > > > > > > > > As an initial suggestion – would 12 months be a good timeframe to > > > work > > > > > > with. What do other people think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Sharan > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2016-07-10 10:48 (+0200), Pierre Smits < > pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharan promised the greater community in the '[*[DISCUSSION]* > > > > > > *Anticipate* > > > > > > > the *end* of *life* of the *13.07* branch and backport some > > > non-bug > > > > > > > related changes to the 14.12 and 15.12 branches > > > > > > > <http://markmail.org/message/nqo5xacngpspytvf>' starting via > > > > > > > http://ofbiz.markmail.org/message/nqo5xacngpspytvf ) that the > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > would continue in the dev ml. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I haven't seen her start that discussion, I will: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given that Sharan made clear that external libraries as per ASF > > > > > > guidelines > > > > > > > and rulings, we need to decide what to do with the r14.x and > the > > > > r15.x > > > > > > > branches, as these hold all the external libraries required to > > > build, > > > > > > test > > > > > > > and/or run a copy from that branch in a separate environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - are we going to delete the external libraries from the > > > branches, > > > > > or > > > > > > > - are we going to delete the entire branches? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe we should have this addressed in order to provide the > > > > greater > > > > > > > community with a clear answer as what to expect regarding > future > > > > > > adoptions > > > > > > > and/or upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > > > > > > > OFBiz based solutions & services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > > > > > > > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
