I am sorry if I have offended anyone. We are trying to follow the Apache Way and have an project that is open to all. We have discovered that many of the "rules" do not seem to be written down anywhere, which makes the Mentors a vital resource.
Yes, Emmanuel I carefully read your message. I also received a message from Hadrian around the same time in which he said in part: "It is ok to communicate any way you want via any channel you want (voice or not). What is not ok is to make decisions that way. So if you use a more interactive channel to speed up the exchange of ideas (many projects use irc for instance) you need to bring that decision back to the non-interactive mailing list where the ASF community build consensus. The reason, mentioned by Emmanuel, is that communities are strong when people feel included. So minutes are great, but the phrasing should be more like: "discussed the pros and cons of ...", "proposed to ...", etc and encourage the rest of the community to provide comments, feedback, suggestions. If no counter-proposals in a reasonable amount of time (typically 72 hours), you can declare lazy consensus and move forward." Since the project has been having a call every other week since its start, I was attempting to follow Hadrian's model. In the Agenda I circulated I tried to make it clear that we would only discuss items and not make decisions. I intended to write the notes from the meeting as Hadrian indicated. I am not trying to be contentious or argumentative here. I am just trying to learn how Apache works and what is most practical for OpenAz. In past the calls have been useful in providing a goad to stimulate people to complete their action items and to facilitate rapid back and forth discussion. However, in the past I personally have been an outsider looking in on projects like this and I have no desire to even give the impression that anyone has been excluded. Two minor points: I do not agree that voice meetings cannot be conducted with people in many time zones. Many such groups operate successfully today. To cite just one example, one of the key contributors on the XACML TC in the early days lives in Japan. One of the current participants lives in Australia. Second, the phone bridge provided by Oracle is accessible from local phone numbers around the world. I forgot to publish a list of the numbers, but had intended to do that today. However, based on your advice, I will immediately cancel the previously announced call and start a thread on the mailing list inviting discussion about if and when we should have calls. Hal > -----Original Message----- > From: Emmanuel Lécharny [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 6:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: OpenAz Conference Call - Thursday May 7, 1 PM ET > > Le 06/05/15 19:14, Hal Lockhart a écrit : > > Phone Bridge 1-408-774-4073 > > code 4480739 > > Pass 123456 > > > > Thanks to David Laurance - JPMC, we will have a webex available to > facilitate discussion. > > Ok, just to be sure, what in my previous mail about conference calls > did you missed ??? > >
