David-

I think that sums up the pros and cons pretty well. My only 2 comments:

persistence-xxx and jdbc-xxx where xxx is the simple name of the annotation

I'd vote for just "xxx" and "jdbc-xxx" (due to a strong dislike for over-long XML names).

b) the annotations do not contain any information on where they
can occur within the JPA ORM elements.

True, although we could just say that class-level annotations go under the <entity> element, and field-level annotations go under the fields's element (<basic>, <one-to-one>, etc.). That would cover all of the top-level annotations, and then the rest of them would have their hierarchy defined by their own annotation structure (e.g., @FetchGroups already knows that it contains an array of @FetchGroup annotations).




On Jul 24, 2007, at 2:52 PM, David Ezzio wrote:

Hi Marc and Patrick,

Thanks for your early feedback. Let's see if I understand the important
points:

1. Leverage the information in the OpenJPA annotations to autogenerate
the XSD document. The XSD schema will have an XML element per
annotation. Use some aliases (I'm thinking persistence-xxx and jdbc- xxx
where xxx is the simple name of the annotation) to make the element
labels easy to use.

2. We would autogenerate some of the parsing code or otherwise use the
annotations for the parsing as well.

3. The autogeneration would occur as part of the OpenJPA build.

There are several advantages of this approach: a) the OpenJPA ORM XSD
types will be generated according to a uniform transformation of the
annotations. The hope is that there will be no customization of the
autogeneration for specific annotations. b) we will have an XML element per annotation which is the most intuitive approach (easiest learned and documented). c) we would have uniform semantics for both annotations and XML. d) we could add autogenerators. For example, if we started with an
autogenerated combined JPA-OpenJPA ORM schema, we could add an
autogenerator for standalone OpenJPA ORM documents, or vice-versa.

The are a couple of disadvantages. a) we don't want the autogeneration
code to become the place where a thousand tweaks are needed to support
diverging XML and annotations. We can make the design rule that there
will be no XML without a corresponding annotation that it autogenerates
from. b) the annotations do not contain any information on where they
can occur within the JPA ORM elements. We will need to encode this
information for the autogeneration in a separate file. This information
will allow us to autogenerate overriding types for the JPA ORM types.


David



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Subject: Re: Preliminary design for supporting OpenJPA annotations in
XML metadata.
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:24:24 -0700
From: Marc Prud'hommeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [email protected]
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On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Patrick Linskey wrote:

One of my long-standing concerns with our current
XMLPersistenceMetaDataParser is that if a change is made to the
semantic handling of any of the tags/annotations, then it needs to be
made in 2 places. I feel like all that logic should be centrally
located.

This is not a big concern to me -- 2 places isn't much worse than one. I'm more concerned that we put together the right format for our users
than that everything necessarily comes from a single source.

Well, there are a lot of known problems with our XML handling. For
example, OPENJPA-74 and OPENJPA-179 might have been avoided if we had
centralized handling of our XML/annotations, rather than the massive
switch() statement that is XMLPersistenceMappingParser.


I think this approach would probably be a bit more work in terms of
making core changes to the behavior of the
XMLPersistenceMetaDataParser, but on the other hand, making it
generic would prevent you from having to assess the semantics of each
new XML tag on a case-by-case basis.

... but this would mean that if we wanted things to look a bit
different for annotations vs. XML, we'd need to invest time and energy
in our auto-XSD-generating tools to make it so. IOW, if we wanted to
let the formats for the XML vs. the annotations differ, we'd end up
doing a lot of auto-generation work instead of just writing two
parsers. I think that if we went this route, we'd want to be explicit
about only supporting converting annotations to XML in a single way.

You are correct that we would be forcing out XML structure to follow
our annotations structure. But I don't see any reason why this would
ever be a bad thing (although I concede that it might sometimes be
somewhat inelegant).


-Patrick

On 7/20/07, Marc Prud'hommeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David-

I've only looked quickly at your document. Personally, I am a little
concerned about having the approach be based on an XSD document. I
think that we have sufficient information in our annotations to
define the structure of how the extensions document could be defined.
One of my long-standing concerns with our current
XMLPersistenceMetaDataParser is that if a change is made to the
semantic handling of any of the tags/annotations, then it needs to be
made in 2 places. I feel like all that logic should be centrally
located.

In any case, even if the project doesn't involve unifying the
AnnotationPersistenceMetaDataParser and XMLPersistenceMetaDataParser,
we could still handle the extensions using information already
contained in the annotations. For the purposes of user-friendly
validation and potential tooling support, and XSD could be auto-
generated from the information already contained in the annotations
themselves. For example, looking at ElementForeignKey.java, you can
see how we could auto-generate an XSD that validates the following
document:

<openjpa:org.apache.openjpa.persistence.jdbc.MappingOverride
name="myOverride">
   <joinColumns>
     <openjpa:org.apache.openjpa.persistence.jdbc.XJoinColumns>
       <openjpa:org.apache.openjpa.persistence.jdbc.XJoinColumn
name="someName" referencedColumnName="someColumn"/>
       <openjpa:org.apache.openjpa.persistence.jdbc.XJoinColumn
name="someOtherName" referencedColumnName="someOtherColumn"/>
     </openjpa:org.apache.openjpa.persistence.jdbc.XJoinColumns>
   </joinColumns>
   <elementJoinColumns>
     ...
   </elementJoinColumns>
   <containerTable>
     ...
   </containerTable>
</openjpa:org.apache.openjpa.persistence.jdbc.MappingOverride>

Some extra "alias" variable could be put into our annotations to
allow people to specify, for example, "<openjpa:mapping-override>"
instead of
"<openjpa:org.apache.openjpa.persistence.jdbc.MappingOverride>".


One obvious advantage of being able to auto-generate the XSD from
annotations is that we don't need to consider how to handle
individual annotations on a case-by-case basis, but instead we can
leverage the fact that we already have a defined logical structure in
place.

Another advantage is that it would allow us to generate different
XSDs for different usage scenarios: one XSD could be a unified
orm.xml + openjpa extensions that allows people to define their
mapping and extensions in a single document (although it probably
wouldn't work for other JPA implementations), and another could be an
XSD for an extensions-only separate mapping file.

I think this approach would probably be a bit more work in terms of
making core changes to the behavior of the
XMLPersistenceMetaDataParser, but on the other hand, making it
generic would prevent you from having to assess the semantics of each
new XML tag on a case-by-case basis.



On Jul 20, 2007, at 1:00 PM, David Ezzio (asmtp) wrote:

Hi,

I'm starting to design support of XML metadata for OpenJPA
annotations in order to address OpenJPA-125 and OpenJPA-87.

I've attached a zip containing a preliminary design document, a
sample openjpa_orm_1_0.xsd file and a sample OpenJPA ORM instance.

It took quite a while to create the text document and it is best
viewed as the tracks of a design process. The design that I worked
on the most (the one with the most documentation) is not
necessarily the best design. There are two alternatives suggested,
and there may be others that I haven't thought of.

I think the fundamental choices facing us are these:

1. Do we construct an OpenJPA ORM schema that extends the JPA ORM
schema? Doing so, allows the user to use one metadata file instead
of two, and will enhance maintainability for our users'
applications.  Or do we construct a standalone OpenJPA ORM schema?
I've chosen the first option in the preliminary design, and I think
it is the best choice.

2. Do we use a syntactically loose "extension" element format or do
we construct new elements for each supported annotation?  Choosing
the first makes it easy (I think) to support newly added
annotations. Choosing the second allows the schema validator to do
most of the validation work.  I've chosen the first option in the
preliminary design, but I'm not at all sure of the choice.

3. Do we envision support in XML for all OpenJPA annotations or for only a subset? If a subset, how do we draw a bright line that will
be consistent and easily documented and followed over time?  I've
chosen the first option in the preliminary design simply because
that is the brightest line that I can think of and because it gave
me a chance to look over the field of OpenJPA annotations.

I'll be off on vacation for a week with very limited Internet
connections, so please, take as much time as necessary to consider
the design, and carry on some discussions without me if the spirit
moves you.

Thanks,

David Ezzio<OpenJPA-XML.zip>




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