Hey- Christopher Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 05:26:01PM -0600, Erik Uzureau wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Tim Schaub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Plus, as discussed previously, I think the topic of "spending >>> sponsorship money" is one that we should task ourselves with (as a PSC) >>> when we actually get some money. >>> >> So actually this is exactly the issue. In our discussion with MetaCarta, the >> clear sentiment was "we're not going to give you money if we don't know how >> it will be spent". Which was the first blow to the sponsorship steam... and >> I think that whatever was left has just sort of petered out. >> >> Maybe part of that is that the originator of the idea, our very own >> Christopher McWilliamson III Schmidt is in Japan devoting his free time to >> promoting OL.... but I think in general there's just not enough independent >> interest in this or available resources (read: volunteers) to be willing to >> put in the leg work to get this working... > > I have no problem with legwork, but when two members of the PSC -- John > and Cameron -- say that their support for the idea is contingent on > coming up with metrics for how we should spend the money before we have > it, I don't see a solution. > > For example, Cameron suggested that "Increase product quality", "Make > the developer community more effective" 'can be measured'[1]. I would > strongly disagree with this statement, but I don't have any evidence > that can prove my opinion in this case. So, my current beliefthat at > least one, and possibly two, members of the PSC don't believe that we > should officially sanction OpenLayers participation in the Sponsorship > program until we outline measurable goals -- in one case, unspecified, > and in the other case, for things that I explicitly don't see a way to > measure. > > So, with that in mind, I don't see a way to proceed effectively with > participating in the sponsorship program; perhaps I'm misunderstanding > the opinions of these emails, but they were enough to convince me that a > motion on the project sponsorship would fail, so I didn't bother to put > one together. >
A -1 vote means that the PSC member "must provide clear reasoning and alternate approaches to resolving the problem within the two days." Why not put it to a vote and let -1 voters provide an alternative? Tim > > [1] http://openlayers.org/pipermail/dev/2008-October/003683.html > > -- Chris >> Maybe time will prove us wrong, but it just sort of feels "dead". >> >> Erik >> >> >> >> >> >>> If we want to vote on a list of potential uses for money (in the hopes >>> that this list will loose the purse strings of potential sponsors), I >>> would vote for an order something like this: >>> >>> 1) code sprints >>> 2) documentation >>> 3) maintainer/marketing stuff >>> >>> I don't have a preference on the order of the maintainer position and >>> marketing stuff. I would just prefer to see code and doc development >>> placed above t-shirts. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> Again - I think shirts are cool. And if we could make some money >>> selling shirts, I think that would be great. I just don't think >>> spending money on shirts is the best use of limited (or hypothetical) >>> resources. >>> >>> >>> Erik Uzureau wrote: >>>> ...well, I think that all this was just about enough to kill any >>>> momentum we may have had going there >>>> with this sponsorship idea. As usual, too many conflicting ideas and too >>>> little resources (resources!) >>>> to implement them with. Just another day in freesoftwarelandia.:-) >>>> >>>> Seems to me like the best thing we can salvage from this is maybe a >>>> reform of the PSC? I'll send a new thread. >>>> >>>> e >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Tim Schaub <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey- >>>> >>>> John R. Frank wrote: >>>> >> I do want to speak up on behalf of t-shirts though! >>>> > >>>> >> don't be too hesitant to spend a bit of money on the team! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I completely agree. T-shirts are a powerful tool in achieving >>>> many of the >>>> > project's goals. I hope to see the PSC agreeing on a list of >>>> those goals >>>> > on our way to the t-shirt store. >>>> > >>>> >>>> Can we have a separate thread on t-shirts (and mugs, hoodies, knit >>> caps, >>>> etc)? >>>> >>>> I don't disagree that t-shirts are neat. And I think putting a link >>> on >>>> our site to buy a t-shirt through some service that kicks back some >>> of >>>> the money to the project is a good idea. But I would be pretty >>>> disappointed if we *spent* (sponsorship) money on making things like >>>> t-shirts. >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/5vsx49 >>>> >>>> > >>>> > jrf >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Dev mailing list >>>> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> > http://openlayers.org/mailman/listinfo/dev >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tim Schaub >>>> OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org >>>> Expert service straight from the developers. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://openlayers.org/mailman/listinfo/dev >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Schaub >>> OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org >>> Expert service straight from the developers. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openlayers.org/mailman/listinfo/dev >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openlayers.org/mailman/listinfo/dev > > -- Tim Schaub OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list [email protected] http://openlayers.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
