*1)* >> we should embed a small jabber server into openmeetings This is currently sounds like "unrealistic" "too far in the future" plan :) Additionally it is introduces more "hard to implement" tasks: 1) we need global chat (current functionality) not sure how this can be implemented. 2) we need per room chat (current functionality) additional code will need to be written to implement that 3) we need chat history for all types of chats (current functionality)
Additionally I know no "small jabber servers" written in java and can be used as a integratable module. As per your own requirement OM is currently requires too many 3rd party SW need to be configured, currently you proposing to add additional 3rd party program. *2)* >> There is no chat inside admin app In current HTML5 implementation chat is global function (like in FB or Gmail), so chat there is chat inside admin app actually *3)* >>I also think that we have "no wicket" app for admin. ... All admin UI can be re-used from standard http console It is unclear what does it mean could you please provide some use cases? On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>wrote: > Good. I don't see any disadvantages of separating admin. Let's start > with listing these disadvantages. > > > After separation of Admin it will be harder to sync chat messages for > example. > Why? Well, strategically we should embed a small jabber server into > openmeetings. As a separate module. Chat messages should be > synchronized via standard jabber protocol. There is no chat inside > admin app. I also believe that admin app can be opened at the next tab > to openmeetings. > > I also think that we have "no wicket" app for admin. All admin UI can > be re-used from standard http console. Still, that's another part of > discussion. > > -- > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > http://dataved.ru/ > +7 916 562 8095 > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello Alexei, > > > > It is possible to create different wicket app for admin, but I see no > > reasons for it. > > In my opinion there will be less advantages than disadvantages after such > > separation. > > > > While discussing HTML5 OM design Sebastian and I were agreed to have > > "single page" architecture this will allow to have single websocket per > > user opened allowing as to push any system messages to the user no matter > > what OM area he/she is currently using. > > After separation of Admin it will be harder to sync chat messages for > > example. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Alexei Fedotov < > alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> Hello folks, > >> > >> I have recently participated in discussions on openmeetings management > >> interface. Open of possible options we have discussed was having admin > >> module separated from the code base. Modularity helps debugging things > >> and shipping releases. Also being modular helps others to re-use our > >> code, and re-usability if one of our competitive advantages. BTW, > >> that's why I support our client code to be in a separate module - > >> people want having their client UIs customized. > >> > >> Java has a special API for managing applications [1]. It basically > >> provides the ability of changing internal state of the application > >> (flags, parameters, etc) with minimal UI beautification. While there > >> is no requirement to use this interface, at least it worth taking a > >> look. This allows using standard jconsole or other HTTP-based consoles > >> to manage an applications. > >> > >> Which questions help understanding if some functionality worth a > >> separate module? > >> * Does this module have a different customer base? (May be true for > >> whiteboard, and the server code with client code excluded.) > >> * Is the module big enough? (True for both client and server modules.) > >> * Are changes to this module independent from openmeetings changes? > >> (True for whiteboard, webstart client, admin console UI.) > >> > >> I wonder if it is possible to build independent modules in wicket. > >> > >> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Management_Extensions > >> > >> -- > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >> http://dataved.ru/ > >> +7 916 562 8095 > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > WBR > > Maxim aka solomax > -- WBR Maxim aka solomax
