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> From: ba...@mail.ru > To: solomax...@gmail.com > CC: dev@openmeetings.apache.org > Subject: Re[4]: new room design > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:21:06 +0400 > > > Hi Maxim, > > When I started this I didn't think about OpenMeetings whiteboard. It wasn't > even whiteboard - it was a tool for ruler-and-compass constructions. I didn't > need advanced drawing - only lines and circles. > Closure promises to support svg as well as convas and chooses one of them > according to browser support - now whiteboard works even at my old Android > 2.X with default browser. > Also closure has all what I need - a lot of advanced components such as > menus, tooltips, color pallet and so on. It has compiling toool which allow > to take all required components to one js-file. > On the last one motif was - to have more "close knowledge" about closure. :) > > Regards, > Andrey Bogdanov > > > > Среда, 5 июня 2013, 6:14 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>: > >Hello Andrey, > > > >Thanks for the answer! > >Could you please describe a bit why have you choose google closure? I had > >plan to use http://raphaeljs.com/ . > > > >Thanks in advance > > > > > >On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Bogdanov Andrey < ba...@mail.ru > wrote: > >> > >>I'm sorry but I've possible missed you mail or haven't received it. > >> > >>For whiteboard I used google closure library. > >> > >>Regards, > >>Andrey Bogdanov > >> > >> > >>Вторник, 4 июня 2013, 22:00 +07:00 от Maxim Solodovnik < > >>solomax...@gmail.com >: > >>>I did wrote letter to Andrey with some questions ... > >>>I get no answer :( > >>>I would like to know if he uses any JS framework in his work. > >>>I believe it is better to rely on framework than to write everything "from > >>>scratch" > >>> > >>> > >>>On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedo...@gmail.com > >>>>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Andrey have just said to me that he plans adding mind graphs to his > >>>> whiteboard. The main concern is how to coordinate this with Andun. > >>>> -- > >>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>> http://dataved.ru/ > >>>> +7 916 562 8095 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < solomax...@gmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > I would vote for additional WB tools. > >>>> > Maybe we should think on close/remove some tools for moderators (like > >>>> > currently in dashboard widgets) > >>>> > I don't know. > >>>> > I prefer to finish current tasks then to start thinking on WB > >>>> > I glad to hear various opinions on this topics since currently we can > >>>> > discuss with no rush > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alexei Fedotov < > >>>> > alexei.fedo...@gmail.com > >>>> >wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> >> Good. Do you suggest having both types of whiteboards opened by > >>>> >> default > >>>> as > >>>> >> well? > >>>> >> -- > >>>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>> >> http://dataved.ru/ > >>>> >> +7 916 562 8095 > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Alexei Fedotov < > >>>> alexei.fedo...@gmail.com > > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> >> > Maxim, new users don't know how to open a chat panel. For returning > >>>> >> > users I'm ok to keep the last opened panel open. > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > Right now I need to draw arrows to attract user attention to the > >>>> >> > chat > >>>> >> > panel, and some people don't see arrows because everyone has these > >>>> >> > arrows somewhere on the board, and sometimes out of the screen. > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > BTW, how often do you personally use whiteboard during conferences? > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > -- > >>>> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>> >> > http://dataved.ru/ > >>>> >> > +7 916 562 8095 > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < > >>>> solomax...@gmail.com > > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> >> >> you can get chat opened by default in current version using "Chat > >>>> panel > >>>> >> >> opened by default" room option. > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Alexei Fedotov < > >>>> >> alexei.fedo...@gmail.com >wrote: > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >>> I think open chat is more important than open whiteboard at the > >>>> >> >>> beginning, because most people who have sound problems can get > >>>> >> >>> some > >>>> >> >>> help. > >>>> >> >>> -- > >>>> >> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>> >> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>> >> >>> http://dataved.ru/ > >>>> >> >>> +7 916 562 8095 > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < > >>>> solomax...@gmail.com > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> >>> wrote: > >>>> >> >>> > It is only possible for moderator .... > >>>> >> >>> > The interface should be simplified for sure .... but it should > >>>> >> function > >>>> >> >>> :) > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov < > >>>> >> alexei.fedo...@gmail.com > >>>> >> >>> >wrote: > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >>> >> Maxim, that's possible to close whiteboard now, the argument > >>>> >> >>> >> does > >>>> >> not > >>>> >> >>> >> stand, > >>>> >> >>> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> > >>>> > >>>> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b9s70Abay0k/Ua3xVZyANGI/AAAAAAAAFTk/uOGjNiwrNZM/w899-h469-no/noboard.png > >>>> >> >>> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> I have 5 more arguments, anyway it was your idea that interface > >>>> >> should > >>>> >> >>> >> be simplified. > >>>> >> >>> >> -- > >>>> >> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>> >> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>> >> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/ > >>>> >> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095 > >>>> >> >>> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < > >>>> >> solomax...@gmail.com > > >>>> >> >>> >> wrote: > >>>> >> >>> >> > I'm afraid this not going to work like this :( > >>>> >> >>> >> > no teacher will accept if students will close the whiteboard > >>>> and > >>>> >> will > >>>> >> >>> >> only > >>>> >> >>> >> > be chatting :) > >>>> >> >>> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko < > >>>> >> akhor...@gmail.com > >>>> >> >>> >> >wrote: > >>>> >> >>> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> Hello Alexei, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> I think it would be good solution to put UI elements (such > >>>> >> >>> >> >> as > >>>> >> >>> whitebord, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> userlist etc) into containers like views in Eclipse and > >>>> >> >>> >> >> allow > >>>> >> user to > >>>> >> >>> >> close > >>>> >> >>> >> >> or minimize them. This way will allow us implements many > >>>> >> variants of > >>>> >> >>> >> >> whiteboard (for example) or add new UI containers by > >>>> >> >>> >> >> plugins. > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> 2013/6/4 Alexei Fedotov < alexei.fedo...@gmail.com > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Hello folks, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > AFAIU, there is a problem that Openmeetings room screen by > >>>> >> default > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > contains too many interface items. Maxim told me, the > >>>> design is > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > overloaded. I believe Roman's idea is to keep things > >>>> relatively > >>>> >> >>> simple > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > until people want more. If they want a whiteboard, they > >>>> click > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > somewhere, and whiteboard appears. I believe it may appear > >>>> on > >>>> >> the > >>>> >> >>> top > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > half of the chat window. This is not completely different > >>>> from > >>>> >> >>> what do > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > we have now, the main difference is that people have a > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > chat > >>>> >> window > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > opened by default, and whiteboard window collapsed. > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Roman, is it correct? > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > BTW, we get one more interesting idea for mathematical > >>>> >> whiteboard > >>>> >> >>> to > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > implement. See http://bay73.github.io/whiteboard/ > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > The question about this whiteboard is, does it worth to > >>>> >> implement > >>>> >> >>> this > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > geometry whiteboard as a "special separate whiteboard", or > >>>> >> should > >>>> >> >>> we > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > merge two boards into one? > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > -- > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > http://dataved.ru/ > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > +7 916 562 8095 > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < > >>>> >> >>> >> solomax...@gmail.com > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > wrote: > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > it is nice, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > the only issue with this design is: no whiteboard :( > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Alexei Fedotov < > >>>> >> >>> >> >> alexei.fedo...@gmail.com > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >wrote: > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Maxim, folks, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Roman has prepared a sketch for the new room design. > >>>> What > >>>> >> do > >>>> >> >>> you > >>>> >> >>> >> >> think? > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Sorry for Russian, the text does not matter anything > >>>> >> anyway. > >>>> >> >>> The > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > picture > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > can be enlarged. > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > >>>> >> >>> >> > >>>> http://www.mediafire.com/view/319b01qgi775n/new_ui#95vbbc25oba9ubj > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > -- > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/ > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095 > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > -- > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > WBR > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > Maxim aka solomax > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> > > >>>> >> >>> >> > -- > >>>> >> >>> >> > WBR > >>>> >> >>> >> > Maxim aka solomax > >>>> >> >>> >> > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >>> > -- > >>>> >> >>> > WBR > >>>> >> >>> > Maxim aka solomax > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> -- > >>>> >> >> WBR > >>>> >> >> Maxim aka solomax > >>>> >> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > WBR > >>>> > Maxim aka solomax > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>WBR > >>>Maxim aka solomax > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Андрей Богданов > > > > > > > >-- > >WBR > >Maxim aka solomax > > > -- > Андрей Богданов
