Artyom, release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes should help you and tell you that despite openmeetings.apache.org web site which mentions recordings they do not work for real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error, it will take a lot of your time.
Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks something. This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we get one with Adobe auto-updater). Sebastian, The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still the problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes (longer recording sessions are rare exceptions). a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a row. Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1 hour, I think 20 minutes is not sufficient. For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach magically worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her last letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also multi-tabbed openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings. As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult, than to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when we do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this one is unrelated. While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test it several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect this drop in the last release notes. This is important because we announced SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March. I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers unhappy. -- With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ +7 916 562 8095 [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/ [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi there, > > regarding OPENMEETINGS-669 > This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should be a note > in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have retested on OM > 3.0. Recording works without errors.* > => This error can potentially happen with any version of OpenMeetings. > I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however the root > cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of OpenMeetings > 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I would > be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the issue in > the Bug report. > > regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188 > Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration? > Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has nothing todo > with the second crash report in the ticket. > I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory consumption, > however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug report > asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't think that > there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash Player. > The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly was > tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash Player was > this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash Player has > the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our > Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a problem > with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device. > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in different > browsers or tabs)* > => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings next to > each other, I do that all the time for testing. > I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions is a > specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without issues. So > there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to have > only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else seems a bit > restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently: > *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in multiple > Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour* > > regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678 > What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration of > SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a nice > feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is an issue > with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all? > > Thanks, > Sebastian > > > > 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <irina.arkhip...@gmail.com> > >> Hi All, >> >> Reharding the multi-tabbing: >> >> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I tried to >> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same Mozilla FF >> browser: >> >> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624 >> >> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of the >> candidates in the bug report. >> >> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two tabs of >> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment. >> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different rooms >> in the same browser at the moment. >> >> Regards, >> Irina. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings (as I >> > know); >> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1; >> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's not >> new >> > too >> > >> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com> >> > >> > > Artyom, >> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional input >> > > from Irina. >> > > >> > > --- >> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release. >> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration. >> > > >> > > We also introduced reliability testing for this release (great job, >> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does not >> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1: >> > > * Recordigs >> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669 >> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version) >> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188 >> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in >> > > different browsers or tabs) >> > > --- >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >> > > http://dataved.ru/ >> > > +7 916 562 8095 >> > > >> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, >> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/ >> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ >> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko < >> akhor...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases >> until >> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if >> > Linux >> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has >> > > various >> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because >> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide >> voip >> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of >> Openmeetings >> > > > bugs. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is >> not >> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash >> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems >> > > >> anyway. >> > > >> >> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say, >> "does >> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem >> > > >> requirements in release notes. >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> -- >> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >> > > >> http://dataved.ru/ >> > > >> +7 916 562 8095 >> > > >> >> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, >> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/ >> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ >> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, >> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov >> > > >> <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated. >> > Right >> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing >> the >> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here. >> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants. >> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt >> of >> > > >> > release notes. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour >> > long >> > > >> > conferences) >> > > >> > * Recordigs >> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 >> version) >> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in >> > > >> > different browsers or tabs) >> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program >> > we >> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore) >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Vasily, could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of >> > the >> > > >> notes? >> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's >> > what I >> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the >> last >> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP >> > > >> > integration? >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help >> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes >> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my >> > +1. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > -- >> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/ >> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095 >> > > >> > >> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, >> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/ >> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, >> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ >> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, >> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > > >> > <seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the >> > OpenMeetings >> > > >> >> project. >> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able >> to >> > > >> create >> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip. >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a >> rather >> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working >> > > product. >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC >> members, >> > > have >> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release? >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> Thanks, >> > > >> >> Sebastian >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor...@gmail.com> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei, >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding >> > > >> denoise >> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in >> > > red5sip >> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't >> > > include >> > > >> any >> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release >> > > notes >> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application. >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP >> > bridge >> > > >> for >> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that >> disabling >> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. >> > > Artyom, >> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does >> it >> > > >> worth >> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes? >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> > -- >> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/ >> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095 >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, >> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/ >> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, >> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ >> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, >> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > > >> >>> > <seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible. >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in >> the >> > > >> >>> community >> > > >> >>> > > about that release. >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release? >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1. >> > > >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release? >> > > >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with >> > > instructor >> > > >> and >> > > >> >>> > sky >> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :) >> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "seba.wag...@gmail.com" < >> > > >> >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> wrote: >> > > >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue: >> > > >> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681 >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release. >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > +1 >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wag...@gmail.com> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay. >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated. >> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ? >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. >> > Please >> > > >> vote on >> > > >> >>> > dev, >> > > >> >>> > >> > as >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a >> > > result >> > > >> of >> > > >> >>> the >> > > >> >>> > >> > vote. >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I >> don't >> > > have >> > > >> a >> > > >> >>> > >> Internet >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad. >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks, >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community, >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache >> > > >> OpenMeetings >> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1 >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1 >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme: >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog: >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts: >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/ >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag: >> > > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/ >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E): >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours. >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1 approve >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0 no opinion >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1. >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> -- >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax >> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> -- >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > -- >> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner >> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de >> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > -- >> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner >> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de >> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > > >> > > >> >>> > > -- >> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner >> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de >> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> > > >> >>> > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> -- >> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner >> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de >> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> > > >> >> seba.wag...@gmail.com >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > -- > Sebastian Wagner > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock > http://www.webbase-design.de > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com > seba.wag...@gmail.com
