> > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks > I believe the content should be controlled on server
=> There is no framework change, your understanding of PWA and saving to home screen I think is based on a misunderstanding. Or you mixing it with other topics around the other email thread on "Future of front end". It has nothing to do with what framework you use. PWA does not mean the application is more or less executed on the client or server side. It's just a different way of starting a web-browser. That is all. Thanks Seb Sebastian Wagner Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 10:15, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: > Let me try out to see how many changes are required. And then we can see. > I think your understanding of PWA is a misunderstanding. It's nothing else > than an alternative way of a browser. So you can control a few more aspects > more explicitly. > > It is not rewriting the JS or HTML files. Or changing the frameworks. It's > still just a browser. It just opens up a few APIs that you don't have when > using a normal browser. > > Thanks > Seb > > Sebastian Wagner > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings > > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 07:37, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wag...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Why is it a rewrite? >> >> All you do is add a manifest file. In order to make saving to the Home >> Screen easier. >> >> What other change do you expect? >> >> Thx >> Sebastian >> >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 4:32 AM, Ali Alhaidary < >> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote: >> >>> I second @Max >>> >>> Ali >>> >>> On 10/12/21 5:30 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>> > Hello Seb, >>> > >>> > I'm not happy with converting to PWA >>> > This will mean to convert OM to JS+REST i.e. rewrite it completely one >>> more >>> > time >>> > I doubt I can do another rewrite >>> > Also I don't really like all these JS frameworks >>> > I believe the content should be controlled on server >>> > >>> > But this is an open source project :) >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 10:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> It is also possible to directly open the PWA instead of a new Browser >>> >> window for when opening OpenMeetings via an invitation link. So that >>> it >>> >> opens the PWA directly. You can simply add a special URL parameter: >>> >> https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/ >>> >> >>> >> So for invitation links we could potentially simply include the >>> additional >>> >> URL parameter for all links, if the PWA is installed it will open it >>> with >>> >> this link. Otherwise open in a new browser window. Should have no >>> negative >>> >> impact. >>> >> >>> >> In order to support versioning (or different installations of >>> OpenMeetings) >>> >> - in case a user has installed multiple OpenMeetings installations on >>> the >>> >> same mobile device - we can include the name in the PWA name, so >>> that it >>> >> does separate those versions. This may not be even a problem, but it >>> might >>> >> be very handy for developers so you have multiple different icons on >>> your >>> >> home screen. Or in case we use the more advanced features of a PWA >>> (e.g. >>> >> local storage). >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> Seb >>> >> >>> >> Sebastian Wagner >>> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com >>> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>> >> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 >>> >> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings >>> >> < >>> >> >>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url >>> >> < >>> >> >>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 09:20, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Are we happy to proceed to: >>> >>> * Add manifest file and prompt to save to home screen on Mobile >>> devices >>> >>> * Add prompt for mobile users to rotate device into landscape mode >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Seb >>> >>> >>> >>> Sebastian Wagner >>> >>> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com >>> >>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>> >>> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 >>> >>> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings >>> >>> >>> >>> < >>> >> >>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url >>> >>> < >>> >> >>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 18:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>> >> seba.wag...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I would say OM is for landscape mode ... >>> >>>>> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful >>> in >>> >>>>> landscape mode :)" ? >>> >>>> => That was my first idea too. But I think if we go down that path I >>> >>>> would probably also suggest to prompt users to save OpenMeetings to >>> the >>> >>>> home screen on the mobile device (and by doing so converting it >>> into a >>> >>>> Progressive Web App/PWA). Instead of just prompting for landscape >>> mode. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Cause once its a PWA we can: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> - Control full screen/display mode and maximise screen usage >>> (no back >>> >>>> button, no URL navigation bar) - and especially the URL bar >>> stays >>> >> away! The >>> >>>> annoying thing is that if you scroll on iOS is will show the >>> URL bar >>> >> again >>> >>>> and makes the screen smaller >>> >>>> - Orientation landscape (at least in Android, iOS show >>> "unsupported >>> >>>> orientation" - user friendly message) >>> >>>> - Start OpenMeetings like a Mobile App via an Icon on your home >>> >>>> screen (it makes a huge difference actually to user behaviour) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So it's a much more "native" feel when converted to PWA. And the >>> effort >>> >>>> in order to convert to a PWA is pretty small (create manifest file) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> In theory users can actually already save it to their home screen. >>> >>>> OpenMeetings is just not using any of the features that would help >>> to >>> >> make >>> >>>> it more user friendly in that case. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So should we maybe rather prompt to "save to home screen" ? It just >>> >> seems >>> >>>> to give more options to improve things. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks >>> >>>> Seb >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sebastian Wagner >>> >>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com >>> >>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>> >>>> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 >>> >>>> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings >>> >>>> >>> >>>> < >>> >> >>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url >>> >>>> < >>> >> >>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 16:33, Maxim Solodovnik < >>> solomax...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> I would say OM is for landscape mode ... >>> >>>>> Maybe we can show some message like: "OM will be much more useful >>> in >>> >>>>> landscape mode :)" ? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 05:30, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>> >>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> I've updated the mobile viewports which makes OpenMeetings a lot >>> more >>> >>>>>> usable on a Mobile device. Especially when in portrait mode it was >>> >>>>> pretty >>> >>>>>> much impossible to click any button or icon.Since they are >>> literally >>> >>>>> 2x2 >>> >>>>>> pixels in size on the screen. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> There are some sample screens of forms, for example on the login >>> >> form: >>> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2685 >>> >>>>>> or when you try to click the icons to share your webcam / >>> microphone: >>> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686 >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> However now in portrait mode on the mobile device: The whiteboard >>> is >>> >>>>> very >>> >>>>>> small. This is in portrait mode. Landscape is proportionally fine. >>> >>>>>> See screenshots in >>> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2686 >>> >>>>>> It would be better if in portrait mode on a mobile device screen: >>> The >>> >>>>>> whiteboard should use more space. For example by toggling the user >>> >>>>> list to >>> >>>>>> be "minimised" + adding some additional screen buttons for sharing >>> >>>>>> webcam/microphone (outside of the user list). >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I would argue the ability to share your audio/video is essential >>> to >>> >> be >>> >>>>>> visible. Also on a mobile device. But you don't need to see all >>> the >>> >>>>> users >>> >>>>>> in the user list constantly. More important to see the whiteboard >>> and >>> >>>>> other >>> >>>>>> users. However currently there isn't a way to minimise the user >>> list >>> >>>>> _and_ >>> >>>>>> show the audio/video sharing buttons. I'm thinking of adding this >>> >>>>>> functionality. Just for mobile devices to become more usable. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Thanks >>> >>>>>> Seb >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sebastian Wagner >>> >>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com >>> >>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>> >>>>>> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 >>> >>>>>> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings >>> >>>>>> < >>> >>>>>> >>> >> >>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url >>> >>>>>> < >>> >>>>>> >>> >> >>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Best regards, >>> >>>>> Maxim >>> >>>>> >>> > >>> >> -- >> Sebastian Wagner >> Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >> https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 >> Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings >> >> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >> >
