Am 01/02/2014 08:20 PM, schrieb jan i:
On 2 January 2014 20:10, Rob Weir<robw...@apache.org>  wrote:

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:44 PM, jan i<j...@apache.org>  wrote:
Hi All.

We have now reached the end of the lazy consensus period.

There has been no -1, a couple of comments and a couple of +1, this means
the proposal is accepted.

However, I have to admit, I think we have a big problem.

If I go ahead with the proposal (as lazy consensus suggest), and follow
the
idea from Andrea. I would have to remove a large part of the vm team.
Only
andrea has reacted at all (with a +1), and according to the idea from
andrea we should revoke the others karma.

Can it really be true, that the current vm team dont want to take if I
take
lead ? In that case it would be highly wrong of me to use the lazy
consensus.


The problem is timing.  Quite a few people are still on holiday and
will not return until next week.  In fact this whole thing has been
discussed in a time when several people were away.

I agree timing is an issue, but it has been said we wanted a fast decision.

I have seen nearly all vm members answering other mails in the period, so
its not only vacation, this proposal has in reality now been discussed for
about 3 month.

write to the missing team members directly (and dev@ in CC). Maybe it makes a difference if they get an extra and personal shove.

Marcus



There was a deadline on the proposal, far longer than 72 hours, to allow us
to act.

However I have no problem extending the deadline, it simply means we
continue with the current setup during that period.

The lazy consensus is extended to 28 february 2014. This allows for any
holidays, release, FOSDEM etc.

Lazy consensus has already been reached, but we need to have the acceptance
of the current (or a new) vm team, since its not adviceable that I work
alone.


rgds
jan I.


-Rob


I can understand a lot of subscribers to this list, dont care (as long as
the services are available), but given the previous debate (and the focus
on forcing me to forward a new proposal), I would have expected the PMC
group to voice their opinion, and also the current vm team.

We cannot just overrule the current sysadm, that does not feel fair !!

Any thoughts ?
rgds
jan I.


On 29 December 2013 16:09, jan i<j...@apache.org>  wrote:

top posting.

A friendly reminder, this LAZY Consensus proposal runs until january
2nd.

Until now, no -1 has been received.

Andrea is the only team member that has given a +1

the other team members (jsc, imacat, arist) have not expressed any
opinion
yet.

Wish you all a happy new year.
rgds
jan I.



On 28 December 2013 17:39, Andrew Pitonyak<and...@pitonyak.org>  wrote:

I have been following as best I can while traveling, and it is not my
place to say, but I agree....

jan i<j...@apache.org>  wrote:

On 28 December 2013 16:19, Andrea Pescetti<pesce...@apache.org>
wrote:

On 22/12/2013 jan i wrote:

based on a polite push from a good infra colleague,  I have
decided to
present yet another proposal for maintaining ooo-wiki2-vm.a.o and
ooo-forums.a.o


I agree with the proposal, so +1 from me.

The main value it brings is that we will have a common (and
lightweight)
set of rules that allow us to establish some initial guidelines.
This
will
make it easier to include new volunteers later, or promote existing
volunteers to sysadmin role, or do whatever we agree upon, at due
time. But
we need an initial set of guidelines to work effectively as a team.


thanks for your +1, thats the first of the existing team, I still hope
the
rest of the team will join. The intention of the proposal is NOT to
exclude
anybody, it (as andrea write very nicely) to make a basis on which we
can
build, while securing our servers.





  I suggest myself for sysadm, and jsc, pescetti, arist and imacat
for
vm-team. Of course my suggestion depends on the willingness of the
mentioned people.


I'm willing to be part of team as proposed.

thx, your input and help is much valued.

Remember there are 3 days left of this year, if you have something to
catch
up on.

rgds
jan I.



Regards,
   Andrea.

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