On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Marcus (OOo) <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote:

> OK, back to topic. Therefore top posting.
>
> I was a bit curious. So, I did a little test.
>
> The "instructions.html" file does not contain any references about CSS.
> So, I included the "styles.css" and "exceptions.css" files and looked at
> the local file --> It changed the layout.
>

oops! I am probably responsible for that...


>
> Now I committed the file to the test area into staging and compared old
> [1] and new [2]. Now the headings can be identified as headings again.
>
> If this is looking nice is a different topic. ;-)
>
> [1] http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/common/instructions.html
> [2] http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/instructions.html
>
> Marcus
>

This IS better. I think if we fixed the styling for  <h2> tag to add some
spacing at the top, we'd be in business!

Thanks for tracking this down.


>
>
> Am 03/14/2014 09:46 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>
>  Am 03/14/2014 08:20 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 13.03.2014 21:52, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 03/13/2014 09:36 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12.03.2014 21:15, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs
>>>>>>> improvement -
>>>>>>> see issues 124343 and 124400.
>>>>>>> I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard
>>>>>> (when I
>>>>>> read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Issue 124343:
>>>>>>> This is about the visibility of the headings.
>>>>>>> My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all
>>>>>>> levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our
>>>>>>> corresponding
>>>>>>> CSS [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all
>>>>>> webpages. This needs to be treated very carefully.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website
>>>>>>> bold?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading?
>>>>>>> Should we make all heading italic or larger?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again no. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Such a feedback does not help as you only say no, no, no, ... without
>>>>> any alternative suggestion :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry when you expected some code or else. But without looking
>>>> closer into the CSS styling I wouldn't do anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, I do not expect any code.
>>> Just feedback as you have given, but also alternative suggestions, when
>>> my proposed changes are not your favorites.
>>>
>>>  I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think
>>>>>> about the formatting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> BTW:
>>>> This was my suggestion. Maybe you have overlooked it. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, but I mad a mistake - see below.
>>>
>>>
>>>>  What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hm. We have issue 124343 for the formatting and issue 124400 for the
>>>>> content.
>>>>> Changing the words of a heading will not improve its visibility.
>>>>> Thus, I
>>>>> think that these issues can be treated separately.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124400
>>>> Website: Installation guides: Headings do not look like headings
>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124343
>>>> Website: Bugzilla documentation: Headings do not look like headings
>>>>
>>>> For me it's the same - just 2 different websites. I've adjusted the
>>>> issue summaries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Damn, now I know what went wrong.
>>> I referenced the wrong issues - I am sorry.
>>>
>>> It is 124400 for the formatting on the installation guide website
>>> and 124408 [1] for the content on the installation guide website.
>>>
>>> That is why I was puzzled by your suggestion to 'start improving content
>>> and then look on formatting'.
>>>
>>
>> ah, got it. :-)
>>
>>  Thus, content and formatting of our installation guide is what I want to
>>> work on
>>>
>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124408 - Improve AOO
>>> Installation Guide
>>>
>>
>> With the content I think I cannot help. I've just Linux and my
>> installation is just:
>>
>> cd <path_to_RPMS>
>> sudo rpm -ivh *
>>
>> I don't care about icons, system integration as I don't use it anyway.
>>
>> But I can work on the styling if it's OK.
>>
>> My suggestion remains:
>>
>> 1. Improve the content.
>> 2. Then we know the document structure.
>> 3. Then we can improve the styling.
>>
>> If there a good reasons, we can start to improve the styling earlier of
>> course.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
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