I remain puzzled about the use of Forums as places to pre-discuss issues with proposed resolutions brought to Bugzilla or dev@ to "verify consensus." I can easily be guilty of having not paid attention. Or there is a simple misunderstanding on my part?
I am very interested in seeing coupling of dev@, users@, Bugzilla, and the forums in a way where issues can be addressed and possibly resolved after confirmation of understanding. I have questions. 1. Where is it established that the Forum is the preferred place for this, sort of out-of-site of the other three places where issues are brought to our attention? How is a member of our public with a concern or request informed and guided about this? 2. How has this worked so far? What are examples of this approach bringing issues/resolutions to dev@ and/or Bugzilla that succeeded (whatever success means)? - Dennis > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:29 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: [ISSUE DISCUSSIONS] (was RE: Proposed Calc "Find & Replace" > dialog enhancements) > > I don't understand this. > > Issues are a place to provide a tracked account for something being > worked on with regard to defects, and that includes usability matters > and even determination of what the defect is, if any. It is the only > place where there is a single URL and a mailing-list account that fits > typical Apache processes. > > I think discussions of these matters on forums is great. I would prefer > there to be stronger bidirectional coupling and easy ways for people to > follow links to specific places on the different services. So if > something starts out on Bugzilla, and there is a Forum discussion that > goes with it or is started from it, they should be coupled. > > My concern is that discussions are disconnected from the developers who > have to decide on what and how action is to be taken, the users who > report/analyze defect reports, and forum threads which may have > satisfying conclusions and simply stop there. I am all for greater > inclusion. Let's keep the multiple places where the same subject arises > connected. > > I don't recall the forums being given the prominence that is suggested > here. Should we put FAQ messages on dev@ and users@ describing the > desired practice, say monthly? I assume blogs are not meant as part of > this but as other ways of informing the public about something. > > - Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 15:03 > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Proposed Calc "Find & Replace" dialog enhancements > > > > On 16/11/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > > One or more issues should be opened on Bugzilla as well, with cross- > > linking to the Forum thread(s). > > > That's important as a matter of governance. The Forum threads are > not > > fully part of the governance and accountability structure of the > > project. > > > > The discussion is brought to the Forum as an initial, open, free, > > discussion, to gather feedback from users. Decision-making is done on > > lists but here we are in a "discovery" phase where we simply ask > people > > for feedback, and the right channels for this are the blog and the > > forum, places where we reach our end-users. > > > > Then, in a normal workflow, a proposal should be brought to the dev > list > > to verify consensus, and issues opened on Bugzilla to track > development. > [orcmid] > That's my problem. I'm concerned about "verifying consensus" where > deliberations are elsewhere. > > > > That said, I for one value end result more than the process, so I > won't > > insist on where we should take the various steps; but it's sad to see > > that nothing gets ever posted to the blog, even though we would have > > materials for posts. > [orcmid] > The AOO blog is not exactly an easy thing to create articles for. It is > definitely not a place for discussion, unless we more-actively moderate > comments. > > > > > > Regards, > > Andrea. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
