Hi!
Interesting talk....
Éric Bischoff írta:
Le Vendredi 28 Juillet 2006 19:43, Thomas Müller a écrit :
But we have all to agree on that, that we want to have this component.
Personally I _do not_ agree to have an instant messenger integrated with OOo's
core. And especially a perfect unknown software. And even more if written in
Python.
I think - the original idea - integrating IM like facility into OOo is
good. Why? Because the created documents have to send to others. That is
why documents created. There are several way to send it. You can put on
fileservers. I thing this is the hard side from view of file managament
(locking, management, etc.). Also you can send it via e-mail. Email is a
important communication form. OOo supports this via file-send menu. This
is good. It uses external program to do it. Using IM can substitue
emailing and I think it is faster. We can provide send action for it
(via add-on). Another level is adding it to the suite. I might enable
higher level of interaction between OOo and IM application. Send or
receive from ooo - on taskpad/bar like panel. And chat in ooo. Send the
current modification instantly to other side. Diff files at two (or
more?) IM users... We might have many idea to how and how much integrate
im to ooo. I am stand for the integration (from just an external linkage
to integral part of ooo)... We have to dicuss it well... But not sure if
the cspace is the best... If you see one of the Another Office Company
you might hear about Groove... So integration istant messanging (and
more) functions is might not a close.
Another theme is integrated e-mailing (i saw it time by time on
maillists). I know we haven't enough resource but an integrated mail
client with planning, resource, contact, time management is might make
ooo more popular. I see the advantages of it. Of course it might need
lot of resource to create something useful. Outlook is the fourth most
requested app from OOo (after W, C, I)... So it might be in our long
term todo list. Integrating or creating IM client may be nearly same
useful - but it requires lot less resources...
As a UNIX guy, I like applications to concentrate on what they do best. Then
you assemble applications, like a building game. Otherwise you bloat
applications. OOo is a desktop suite, it should not do email, IM, or video
editing.
I agree in video editing. But a well designed program not bloated (in
term of speed and usability) integrating more functionality. Of course
we have to ask our users what they are really need. And because of our
limited resources we need to order well our tasks.
There's a video game in Excel. Does that make sense ? Obviously not.
There are however a few acceptable solutions :
1) If the IM guys want to write it as an add-on to OOo, why not. Their
problem ;-).
Yes :o)
2) Also, distributions are free to bundle OOo with whatever software they
like, provided they think about license issues
Yes :o)
3) If someone can prove there are some parts in writer, calc or impress that
can benefit of the _integration_ of an IM, then we should be able to call any
external IM program (the choice of which can be done by the user, with a
default to the system one). But I would like to see a use case _before_.
Paritally yes. We may need at least IM where the communication and
coworking is stronger. An office application might need special services
(see above)... Of course the spec must be open so no one retained to
implement it in another im to maintain the higher level cooperation with
ooo suite.
Also, I have to say that writing answers and not getting reactions to them is
particularly unpleasant and gives the impression to speak to deaf people.
Hence the harsh tone.
Thomas,
Integrating something to OOo is never start to change end user pages on
OOo site. You might create project you have to make you Im comaptible
with OOo, integrate it, integrate into build system, localization then
we need builds and careful testing. It takes time. It is not one hour
work... So we need more work than you expected... I am sure... OOo is
move slover than you think. There are several patch that makes smaller
modifications than you want, but they ares still on hold...
Have a nice day,
Best regards,
KAMI
