Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 08:23 +0200 schrieb Andreas Lehmkühler:
> 
> 
> Am 13.10.23 um 04:40 schrieb axh:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I suggest to also revisit logging. Last week I opened an issue for
> > that (PDFBOX-5695
> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PDFBOX-5695>), but it seems
> > everybody is tired by this subject and no none even looked at it.
> > Nonetheless, please take a look. The last time a switch to a
> > logging facade was proposed (and rejected) has been 10 years ago. I
> > think it is worth reconsidering, and a new major release would be
> > the right time to do a change like that. More details in the issue.
> > 
> Please don't give upto early on us. We are all volunteers with
> limited 
> time and different priorities.
> 
> > Whatever the project decides, I am willing to contribute the
> > required patch(es).
> We highly appreciate that.
> 
> I personally don't have the pressure to switch the logging framework
> but 
> I see it is long overdue to overhauil that part of PDFBox.
> 
> I tend to agree with Tilman and I'd like to use log4j2. I hope I'll
> find 
> some time to comment on your proposal at the next weekend.

+1 to switch to log4j2. Benefits described in the ticket. log4j vs
slf4j -> because of Apache License and "family" although license wise
MIT would be compliant AFAIU. 

Maruan 

> 
> 
> Andreas
> 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Axel
> > 
> > > Am 11.10.2023 um 07:53 schrieb sahy...@fileaffairs.de:
> > > 
> > > Dear colleagues,
> > > 
> > > with 3.0 being released and 4.0 being started I'd like to start
> > > discussing what the major plans are for 4.0. And maybe in a way
> > > that
> > > the release can be made faster than what we had for 3.0. (maybe
> > > size it
> > > in a way that we can do the dev stuff by spring 2024 and then
> > > release
> > > in summer 2024 followed by a 4.1 release to add to that instead
> > > of
> > > doing a big bang like 3.0)
> > > 
> > > Shall we share some ideas via the mailing list or start a page on
> > > our
> > > website (I think ml is easier to do). We can still document the
> > > major
> > > initiatives as soon as we have agreed in a blog post.
> > > 
> > > Here are my current thoughts (some of which might also be
> > > backported to
> > > 3.0) in no particular order
> > > 
> > > - appareance stream handlers for interactive form widgets
> > > (similar to
> > > what we have for annotations) also allowing one to add their own
> > > handler
> > > - replacement or at least new base for XMPBox (current thought is
> > > to
> > > have a new base parser and add if possible XMPBox current end
> > > user api
> > > on top - might be able to reuse xmlgraphics XMP lib). Would allow
> > > to
> > > better deal with XMPs which are not standard and make it easier
> > > to add
> > > to existing XMPs low level.
> > > - then we had the discussion about an event handler/listener
> > > similar to
> > > what fop provides so one can listen to corrections/repairs done
> > > under
> > > the hood (I know that we can only lay the ground for that as this
> > > is a
> > > major undertaking given all the places where we correct things)
> > > - enhance the parsing to keep the information about incremental
> > > versions (better debugging, trace of changes done ...)
> > > - review and add some more PDF 2.0 capabilities
> > > - better text formatting/language support (maybe by including fop
> > > parts
> > > or looking into using HarfBuzz)
> > > - I'd also like to discuss reaching out to fop to look at
> > > integrating
> > > some of their font handling into fontbox
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > That list is already long and I think would be too much given
> > > above
> > > idea of release planning.
> > > 
> > > With regards to versioning I'd like to propose that we have 2.0
> > > as LTS
> > > and 4.x being the next LTS.
> > > 
> > > Thoughts
> > > BR
> > > Maruan
> > > 
> > > 
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