Question posted to Apache Arrow at
https://lists.apache.org/thread/t6598v7lsdb74q65x9grwhxqt38ntq2s

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 9:00 PM Matthew Benedict de Detrich <
[email protected]> wrote:

> > The Apache Arrow project publishes nightlies here. It's where the
> current nightlies GHA was copied from.
>
> > https://nightlies.apache.org/arrow/java/org/apache/arrow/
>
> Thanks for pointing this out, I must have missed it since it was nested in
> a java folder. I will contact the Apache Arrow project to ask them if they
> had specific reasons as to why they ended up using the nightlies folder,
> there might be something I am missing.
>
> Also just want to mention that regardless of what was done, the work put
> into this isn't wasted as we need to use the same delivery mechanism for
> official Apache release. Likewise I imagine that publishing documentation
> would work similarly.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 5:23 PM Sean Glover <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'll defer to whatever Apache policies we need to adhere to and/or what
>> this group decides, but to address the point:
>>
>> > In fact, after
>> manually checking each Apache project directory in the nightlies
>> directories at https://nightlies.apache.org there is no single other
>> project that is publishing library jars here.
>>
>> The Apache Arrow project publishes nightlies here. It's where the current
>> nightlies GHA was copied from.
>>
>> https://nightlies.apache.org/arrow/java/org/apache/arrow/
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:23 AM Keith Wansbrough
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Aha, thanks - I see what you mean now!
>>>
>>> From: Matthew Benedict de Detrich <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 3:21 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: Process for snapshots and nightlies
>>>
>>> > If using Maven, do we still need to control the number of snapshots?
>>>
>>> There is an already existing job in Nexus which automates this for all
>>> Apache projects with the configuration that I mentioned earlier.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:18 PM Keith Wansbrough
>>> <[email protected]<mailto:
>>> [email protected]>> wrote:
>>> I agree, let's put snapshots in Maven rather than Nexus. Thanks for the
>>> detailed analysis.
>>>
>>> If using Maven, do we still need to control the number of snapshots?
>>>
>>> Doing snapshots on a per-merged-PR basis rather than nightly makes a lot
>>> of sense, both for the reasons you state (most nightlies would be identical
>>> just now!) and because it would deliver a snapshot sooner when there is a
>>> change. Of course we should still run tests nightly, to catch any
>>> regressions in dependencies etc.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> --KW 8-)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: PJ Fanning <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:41 PM
>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: Process for snapshots and nightlies
>>>
>>> Since maven snapshots appear to be the norm - my view is that if we can
>>> get the maven snapshot working then we can switch off the nightlies (after
>>> we see the snapshots are publishing ok).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 at 13:22, Matthew Benedict de Detrich <
>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > As a result of the ongoing work that's been happening to get Pekko
>>> > ready for release, more concretely
>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
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>>> I came to the conclusion that I think its a smart idea to clarify what our
>>> process is going to be in regards to snapshots/nightlies.
>>> >
>>> > The current state of affairs is that we have a nightly job which
>>> > manually packages Pekko and then pushes the jar to the Apache
>>> > nightlies repository (
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>>> > for more details.
>>> >
>>> > While it's fantastic that we have a nightly system setup (especially
>>> > since it unblocks other Pekko modules from being able to update the
>>> > package to
>>> > org.apache.pekko) the current implementation of it raises a couple of
>>> > questions. The first more technical one is that we are using the
>>> > nightlies directory as a pseudo maven repository even though Apache
>>> > has its own Nexus repo that supports snapshots (see
>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Finfr
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>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F40microsoft.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WMB6VKgF20F25k6XwumldyN270xrHz%2BkWypuOGHzF4M%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%7C
>>> > 5fc708f926284ce5593d08dafe10bbcd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C
>>> > 1%7C0%7C638101645113113343%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA
>>> > iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=
>>> > %2F1tzQycyROl8Mg0Nl0gJxJw0MhBBDX72pJCsiieKrWE%3D&reserved=0 there is
>>> > no single other project that is publishing library jars here. The
>>> > content that appears to be published there roughly falls under one of
>>> > the following
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > * Build results, either executables, fatjars or some other output of a
>>> > build
>>> >
>>> > * Documentation
>>> >
>>> > * Microsite
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This means from what I can tell, as of now we are the only project
>>> > that is publishing snapshots this way. I asked some various related
>>> > questions in the #asfinfra slack channel and they also said that any
>>> > kind of JVM snapshot/nightlies should be published to the maven repo,
>>> > not the nightlies directory (see
>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthe-
>>> <
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthe-%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BhlwTLR1asUFgNfC4MIfhbrS5dKX1mwRUxyTYSVG%2Ffw%3D&reserved=0
>>> >
>>> > asf.slack.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fasf.slack.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bBOYl59fju0d6aCNC4NlBRw7%2BpAwM7OWxjyPhDXO6PI%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%2Farchives%2FCBX4TSBQ8%2Fp1674497939153149&data=05%7C01%
>>> > 7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F40microsoft.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WMB6VKgF20F25k6XwumldyN270xrHz%2BkWypuOGHzF4M%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%7C5fc708f926284ce5593d08dafe10bbcd%
>>> > 7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101645113113343%7CUnkn
>>> > own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
>>> > LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=d0A25pkoFSu9k6b1ONE8BFw0%2Fow3MhK
>>> > %2BFvP7MMOSF08%3D&reserved=0 for thread trail). The only other
>>> > critical point here is regarding snapshot expiry (current nightlies
>>> > setup has a 30 day expiry) but they also confirmed that there already
>>> > exists a job on the Apache Nexus repo which performs snapshot expiry
>>> > with the following relevant settings
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > * Minimum snapshot count: 2
>>> >
>>> > * Snapshot retention (days): 2
>>> >
>>> > * Recurrence: Weekly
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The main thing that was also mentioned in that Slack channel was when
>>> > using the Apache snapshot Nexus repo we should keep snapshots to
>>> > minimum required which then leads to the second point of how we should
>>> > handle snapshot creation that is useful/brings value (note that to me
>>> > snapshots are analogous to nightlies, it's just the latter describes a
>>> > specific way of creating snapshots). Since Pekko (and its related
>>> > modules) is a JVM library, not a
>>> > package/application/executable/database I think that nightly snapshot
>>> > creation is excessive. Nightlies make sense for projects that need to
>>> > be run because often the process of packaging/building it is
>>> > non-trivial and a large portion of users are not developers. On the
>>> > other hand with Pekko being a library, almost all of our users are
>>> > developers which use Pekko by adding it as a dependency to their build
>>> tool (maven, gradle, sbt etc etc).
>>> >
>>> > Due to this, one of the main problems that nightlies are solving (i.e.
>>> > testing a change which hasn't been released yet) can be trivially done
>>> > by just pointing a checked out Pekko git repo to a specific point in
>>> > time and doing publishLocal which publishes the entire Pekko modules
>>> > to local ivy repo which can then be picked up by other JVM build tools
>>> > on that local machine (note that publishLocal was also added to the
>>> > useful sbt commands, see
>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
>>> <
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jP4iPybBsRmOFlkWJBXJS45uFCHtxWroe4ASkOSLjR8%3D&reserved=0
>>> >
>>> > ub.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fub.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aihB2erTRLkcSFvea%2BhAOwdcs4z6J0Bj%2FWSphMw2HUA%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%2Fapache%2Fincubator-pekko%2Fpull%2F83&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wan
>>> > sbrough%40microsoft.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F40microsoft.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WMB6VKgF20F25k6XwumldyN270xrHz%2BkWypuOGHzF4M%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%7C5fc708f926284ce5593d08dafe10bbcd%7C72f988bf8
>>> > 6f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101645113113343%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb
>>> > GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0
>>> > %3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YHT9o%2B22u3wyKn%2B%2FgKMvZzI8M2z9IIp2FdRuZo
>>> > mNarI%3D&reserved=0). The other typical use case that needs to be
>>> > handled is when someone needs to test a specific version/revision of
>>> > Pekko with a  feature in a pre-production/production setting (i.e. not
>>> > a local machine) to see if its working as intended, snapshots in a
>>> > remote repository are helpful here. Snapshots are also handy when
>>> > having to deal with Pekko modules that require Pekko (some Pekko
>>> > modules such as pekko-http happen to have custom sbt code to lookup
>>> > the latest snapshot, see
>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
>>> <
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jP4iPybBsRmOFlkWJBXJS45uFCHtxWroe4ASkOSLjR8%3D&reserved=0
>>> >
>>> > ub.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fub.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aihB2erTRLkcSFvea%2BhAOwdcs4z6J0Bj%2FWSphMw2HUA%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%2Fapache%2Fincubator-pekko-http%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fproject%2FAkkaD
>>> > ependency.scala&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F40microsoft.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WMB6VKgF20F25k6XwumldyN270xrHz%2BkWypuOGHzF4M%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%7C5fc7
>>> > 08f926284ce5593d08dafe10bbcd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C
>>> > 0%7C638101645113113343%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJ
>>> > QIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Fw
>>> > d0h7KzDMj8qaYQ%2B1GziIS0PFnxy76ryR9DGfjn4fw%3D&reserved=0
>>> > and
>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
>>> <
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jP4iPybBsRmOFlkWJBXJS45uFCHtxWroe4ASkOSLjR8%3D&reserved=0
>>> >
>>> > ub.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fub.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aihB2erTRLkcSFvea%2BhAOwdcs4z6J0Bj%2FWSphMw2HUA%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%2Fapache%2Fincubator-pekko-http%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fproject%2FVersi
>>> > onGenerator.scala&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F40microsoft.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WMB6VKgF20F25k6XwumldyN270xrHz%2BkWypuOGHzF4M%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%7C5f
>>> > c708f926284ce5593d08dafe10bbcd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%
>>> > 7C0%7C638101645113113343%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
>>> > CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1s
>>> > D7BN5wjXaXMZ6x1NocUESJvUcJ9o%2B1de%2FTy%2FsXbaQ%3D&reserved=0,
>>> > although modifying that custom snapshot lookup code to also check
>>> > local ivy repositories also seems sensible).
>>> >
>>> > Given this, what to me personally makes sense is that snapshots should
>>> > be published when a PR is merged to main, at least for now since we
>>> > don't have that many PR's being merged, the amount of snapshots being
>>> > created is likely going to be less than nightly (on average) which
>>> > should satisfy the "minimum necessary". However I am perfectly happy
>>> > with keeping the current nightly build because there are other
>>> > considerations as well(i.e. should we deploy a snapshot only when a
>>> > nightly build + test runs?) and in the future when Pekko picks up
>>> steam this can change.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On a similar note, a proposed ideal nice to have in the future would
>>> > be to implement a GitHub bot where a maintainer can trigger the bot
>>> > via a GitHub comment on a PR to trigger a snapshot of that specific PR
>>> > before it gets merged, this can then handle the use case of "I want to
>>> > test these changes on actual use case scenario before merging the PR".
>>> > Since Pekko build currently distinguishes between clean and unclean
>>> > artifacts via a timestamp (see
>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
>>> <
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jP4iPybBsRmOFlkWJBXJS45uFCHtxWroe4ASkOSLjR8%3D&reserved=0
>>> >
>>> > ub.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fub.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aihB2erTRLkcSFvea%2BhAOwdcs4z6J0Bj%2FWSphMw2HUA%3D&reserved=0
>>> >%2Fapache%2Fincubator-pekko%2Fpull%2F125&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wa
>>> > nsbrough%40microsoft.com<
>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F40microsoft.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884740897%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WMB6VKgF20F25k6XwumldyN270xrHz%2BkWypuOGHzF4M%3D&reserved=0>%7C5fc708f926284ce5593d08dafe10bbcd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101645113113343%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KwXIqCcMKyp%2FR%2BxTp1MyGbwZvnW4Gu6zhJwJx6BYQVM%3D&reserved=0
>>> for a recent PR that fixes this) this also means that we can also separate
>>> snapshots generated from PR's from snapshots generated by the main job
>>> (whether that be nightly or after merge into main).
>>> >
>>> > What are everyones thoughts on this?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
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>>> Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B
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>>> Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu Valtonen
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>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faiven.io%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ckeith.wansbrough%40microsoft.com%7C63133f336219439d40f108dafe1ea6c1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638101704884897118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WoT73jmrWClF7rWL78N%2Fd4D6JMfa%2BsnfVsTO4a0RKXw%3D&reserved=0>
>>> e: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Matthew de Detrich
>
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>
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>
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